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Comment by ABlue on LLMs could be as conscious as human emulations, potentially · 2024-04-30T21:47:16.109Z · LW · GW

Should it make a difference? Same iterative computation.

Not necessarily, a lot of information is being discarded when you're only looking at the paper/verbal output. As an extreme example, if the emulated brain had been instructed (or had the memory of being instructed) to say the number of characters written on the paper and nothing else, the computational properties of the system as a whole would be much simpler than of the emulation.

I might be missing the point. I agree with you that an architecture that predicts tokens isn't necessarily non-conscious. I just don't think the fact that a system predicts tokens generated by a conscious process is reason to suspect that the system itself is conscious without some other argument.

Comment by ABlue on LLMs could be as conscious as human emulations, potentially · 2024-04-30T20:18:24.572Z · LW · GW

I don't think that in the example you give, you're making a token-predicting transformer out of a human emulation; you're making a token-predicting transformer out of a virtual system with a human emulation as a component. In the system, the words "what's your earliest memory?" appearing on the paper are going to trigger all sorts of interesting (emulated) neural mechanisms that eventually lead to a verbal response, but the token predictor doesn't necessarily need to emulate any of that. In fact, if the emulation is deterministic, it can just memorize whatever response is given. Maybe gradient descent is likely to make the LLM conscious in order to efficiently memorize the outputs of a partly conscious system, but that's not obvious.

If you have a brain emulation, the best way to get a conscious LLM seems to me like it would be finding a way to tokenize emulation states and training it on those.

Comment by ABlue on Magic by forgetting · 2024-04-26T16:47:09.054Z · LW · GW

The number of poor people is much larger than the number of billionaires, but the number of poor people who THINK they're billionaires probably isn't that much larger. Good point about needing to forget the technique, though.

Comment by ABlue on Magic by forgetting · 2024-04-25T01:40:24.089Z · LW · GW

Is this an independent reinvention of the law of attraction? There doesn't seem to be anything special about "stop having a disease by forgetting about it" compared to the general "be in a universe by adopting a mental state compatible with that universe." That said, becoming completely convinced I'm a billionaire seems more psychologically involved than forgetting I have some disease, and the ratio of universes where I'm a billionaire versus I've deluded myself into thinking I'm a billionaire seems less favorable as well.

Anyway, this doesn't seem like a good solution since even for every "me" that gets into a better universe, another just gets booted into the worse one. As far as the interests of the whole cohort go it'd be a waste of effort.

Comment by ABlue on When is a mind me? · 2024-04-18T04:08:19.166Z · LW · GW

What does it mean when one "should anticipate" something? At least in my mind, it points strongly to a certain intuition, but the idea behind that intuition feels confused. "Should" in order to achieve a certain end? To meet some criterion? To boost a term in your utility function?

I think the confusion here might be important, because replacing "should anticipate" with a less ambiguous "should" seems to make the problem easier to reason about, and supports your point.

For instance, suppose that you're going to get your brain copied next week. After you get copied, you'll take a physics test, and your copy will take a chemistry test (maybe this is your school's solution to a scheduling conflict during finals). You want both test scores to be high, but you expect taking either test without preparation will result in a low score. Which test should you prepare for?

It seems clear to me that you should prepare for both the chemistry test and the physics test. The version of you that got copied will be able to use the results of the physics preparation, and the copy will be able to use the copied results of the chemistry preparation. Does that mean you should anticipate taking a chemistry test and anticipate taking a physics test? I feel like it does, but the intuition behind the original sense of "should anticipate" seems to squirm out from under it.