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Comment by EGI on Online LessWrong Community Weekend · 2021-09-08T22:37:46.490Z · LW · GW

AFAIK the schedule should adjust to your time zone. Opening session is 7pm CEST.

Comment by EGI on Meetup Organizers, Our Virtual Garden is at Your Disposal · 2021-01-06T19:37:41.401Z · LW · GW


Comment by EGI on Meetup Organizers, Our Virtual Garden is at Your Disposal · 2021-01-04T19:16:49.405Z · LW · GW

Hi, we might want to try holding the LW-Cologne meetup at the Walled Garden. What should I do?

Comment by EGI on Hammer and Mask - Wide spread use of reusable particle filtering masks as a SARS-CoV-2 eradication strategy · 2020-04-22T13:41:46.051Z · LW · GW

Well, difficult at the moment. I would try the M3 6000 or 6500 series first since they are available in 3 sizes. But you basically have to shop around until you find something, which is difficult when most shops are sold out.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-21T20:21:39.885Z · LW · GW
The interpretation I have for the mask is that we say y at any distance = mask rating (95 or 99).

This simple conversion does not work, since the drop of particle concentration over a certain distance is not fixed and drop size is not fixed. Under very favorable conditions you may get an infectious dose over 60 feet though that is quite unlikely.

But those filter materials may be something of a bottle neck too (and clearly do compete with providing masks to the medical workers.

That is my point. We should start manufacturing masks and filter material en masse NOW so we can provide everyone with a high quality mask in 2 to 3 months. Noone does this at the moment and what is produced is wasted on crappy one way products even most professionals do not use correctly.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-21T20:11:26.315Z · LW · GW

I think it has more to do with N99 not being available in the filtering facepiece form which are the medical standard with very few exceptions.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-21T20:07:27.762Z · LW · GW

Pretty sure. You should not get your filter wet though since this may allow diffusion across the filter, which is why it is unsafe to wear (N 95 or other) fleece masks for extended periods. Also stuff that is bound in the filter is also attracted via Van-der-Waals forces which are really strong on this scale.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-21T20:02:15.120Z · LW · GW

Yeah, it will be way more than 99% of virus particles since most virus particles are bound in larger droplets where filtration efficiency is much higher than 99 %.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-21T19:59:22.399Z · LW · GW

Adsorption air filters are not sieves or membrane filters, particles are captured by adsorption to the filter medium, not by size exclusion. The pessimum of filtration efficiency is afaik around 1 µm with higher capture efficieny below that due to higher collision probability due to more brownian motion. Not completely sure of the numbers though.

I'd go with P 99 or 100 since they are not that much more expensive / unpleasant to wear and we want to have as little particle leakage as possible since we do not know how much dose reduction is needed to reduce infection probability by one to two orders of magnitude. A hundredfold seems plenty though.

Also note that virus particles do not fly alone since they are allway bound in liquid or whatever remains after the droplet dries. CoV-2 seems to be nonviable when dried though so you need not worry about dry stuff.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-20T21:53:13.769Z · LW · GW

Exactly, though we should aim to change that since protection would be improved while logistic demands would fall.

Also we should try to get governments to stimulate large scale production of such masks. See my original post.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-20T21:50:23.983Z · LW · GW

This highly depends on mask quality and fit. A well fiting high quality oneshould be about as comfortable as a cloth mask.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-20T21:46:46.783Z · LW · GW

I don't have experience with US P99/100 filters but modern European P3 filters which are between P99 and P100 have hardly noticeable resistance.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-20T21:42:11.890Z · LW · GW

1. This was the point of my original post. States should begin stimulating large scale production of masks and filters to provide most people with such masks.

2. No they don't. Virus particles on the filter stay there as long as the filter does not get wet and decay quite quickly

3. Your mask either does not fit right or is low quality or has some kind of gas combination filter with very high flow resistance.

4. Yes, see discussion above.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-20T21:35:07.485Z · LW · GW

See my reply to you above. That said, even if the virus was dry airborne as you assume, P3/N99 filters would still capture way above 99% of these particles as explained in my original post.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-20T21:30:08.759Z · LW · GW

Yes, this mask is more of a symbolic pic, perhaps Simon can briefly explain why he chose this one (copyright issues I think). As explained in my original post and mentioned above you should use P3/ N99 or N100 filters.

Current understanding is that CoV-2 becomes nonviable when dried out Results form this study, though not in the document: (

Same guy stated it here:

They looked at about 100 infected households and sampled surfaces. Found virus RNA everywhere but NO viable virus. Also if that were false we would see airborne spread with people being infected over much larger spacial and temporal distance.

The public needs not be educated on what to wear, correct masks need to be provided by public private partnership (state money is used to stimulate large scale production) to stand a chance of equipping most people in a few month. You may want to use the original post linked.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-20T21:15:15.790Z · LW · GW

Exactly! Mic and so on is not necessary and too complicated.

Comment by EGI on The Hammer and the Mask - A call to action · 2020-04-19T15:24:54.250Z · LW · GW

Yes, this is a drawback of any mask with exhalation valve. It is, as you suggest, easy to mitigate by covering the exhalation valve with cloth or a surgical mask. This is however imho not really necessary under most conditions, since the idea is to not get infected in the first place, so you do not shed any virus particles anyway.

Comment by EGI on Hammer and Mask - Wide spread use of reusable particle filtering masks as a SARS-CoV-2 eradication strategy · 2020-04-15T12:46:06.423Z · LW · GW

Thanks for pointing these things out, I probably should have adressed them more.

... suprising that these masks are not in widespread use already.

I could think of several reasons for this.

  • Many (most?) health care professionals do not know of these masks or do not think of them as "medical equipment".
  • People do not realize that filters can be used multiple times thus dismissing the idea as logistically impossible / even more expensive than FFP masks for everyone
  • People think that all masks do not work (well) to prevent transmission
  • People think that these masks are "overkill", not realizing that a well fitting!!! reusable silicone mask is actually much less unleasant to wear than FFP masks.

... problems with compliance ... unpleasant to wear for prolonged periods.

Yes, to a degree that is true. This should be addressed by...

  • Well fitting masks, at least 5 to 10 different types as discribed above with state of the art low resistance filters
  • Requiring people to wear masks only if there is actual risk of infection as described above
  • Rigorous enforcement especially in places where there are lots of people around (public transit, dense work places, schools and so on)
Comment by EGI on Covid-19: Things I'm Doing Differently · 2020-03-06T19:58:42.020Z · LW · GW

You could just use your hands and wash/desinfect afterwards before touching your face. The virus cannot penetrate your skin and even lacerations are probably safe, since the target cells are in your nose/lungs.

Comment by EGI on Dealing with the left overs: COVID-19 · 2020-03-05T21:47:10.340Z · LW · GW

This problem is probably mostly regulatory in nature. This "medical waste" does not suddenly become "normal waste" because there is no longer any viable corona virus present. And medical waste treatment facilities are overloaded. Also (at least in Germany, where I live) waste is not "presumed diseased". Here bio-contaminated waste is usually autoclaved before entering the normal waste stream or gets treated by a specialized company. I do not know the specific procedures in China though.

Comment by EGI on How to fly safely right now? · 2020-03-05T21:30:10.430Z · LW · GW

Touching your jaw or cheek should be no direct problem for you since you need to get the virus into your airways to get infected. It may be a problem for others since you may have lots of virus particles on your jaw / cheek form sneezing. Also getting stuff from your jaw or cheek into your mouth nose or eyes is more likely than from your hands.

Comment by EGI on Seeing the Smoke · 2020-02-29T17:51:46.606Z · LW · GW

And this is why I think less and not more permission to panik would be warranted. Our reaction to Covid 19 is likely much more dangerous than the virus itself. So less reaction would arguably be better. 20% Sick is way too much, since that would require everyone to be exposed at once. Epidemics tend to be exponential at first and then become subexponential way before saturation. Seasonal flu does this for example. Do you have any reason to expect Covid 19 to behave different?

Comment by EGI on Why are people so bad at dating? · 2019-12-16T10:57:11.735Z · LW · GW

Well, one very obvious way in which No. 2 is true is that the overwhelming majority of people do not know about things like Photofeeler or Mate, can not infere that it must exist and thus do not do research to find it. Also it is not trivial to distinguish if a given tool / advice is any good.

Another aspect is that your assertion that there is little dating advice out there is just wrong. Just Google "Pick Up" or PUA.

But this probably is only a partial explanation.

Comment by EGI on Open thread, Nov. 16 - Nov. 22, 2015 · 2015-11-17T17:20:21.391Z · LW · GW

Um, no, we cannot colonise the stars with current tech. What a surprise! We cannot even colonise mars, antarctica or the ocean floor.

Of course you need to solve bottom up manufacturing (nanotech or some functional eqivalent) first, making you independent from eco system services, agricultural food production, long supply chains and the like. This also vastly reduces radiation problems and probably solves ageing. Then you have a fair chance.

So yes, if we wreck earth the stars are not plan B, we need to get our shit together first.

If at this point there is still a reason to send canned monkeys is a completely different question.

Comment by EGI on There is no such thing as strength: a parody · 2015-07-09T03:15:59.389Z · LW · GW

While this post is meant as a parody / reductio, I think the idea that "there is no such thing as strength" is not entirely invalid. This has of course nothing to do with strength being culturally constructed or some such nonsense but with "strength" - as it is used colloquially- being highly multidimensional.

Thus there is no unambiguous way to say my strenght is [number] [unit]. You can of course devise a strenght test and define a strength quotient as the output of this test. And if the test is any good of course this strength quotient will corelate with different abilities and outcomes such as digging ditches or carrying stones or the probability of having back pain. But this does not mean that "your strenght" as measured by the strenght test behaves like a physical unit.

It may for example (depending on the exact nature of the test) not be meaningful to ask how a non human like an ant or a zebra or an excavator would rate on the test for example because the test may involve handling dumbbells (what neither ant nor zebra can) or involve endurance tests (what the excavator can do until the fuel tank is empty or not at all). I hope the parallel to AI is obvious. On the other hand if I do measure a dimension of strength this problem goes away. If muscle x at max tension applies a torque of y to joint z this does behave as a physical unit and can easily be applied to any system with joints, be it ant, zebra or excavator.

Furthermore the strength test is to a certain degree arbitrary. You could do a slightly different test with slightly different correlations and stil call it "strength". This is not the case with a single dimension of strength. That muscle x at max tension does apply a torque of y to joint z is an objective fact about the world which can be ascertatined with a host of different methods all of which will yield the same result (at least theoretically).

Concerning intelligence we unfortunately do not know the onedimensional subcomponents. I think this is the propper steelman for "there is no such thing as intelligence".

Comment by EGI on FAI Research Constraints and AGI Side Effects · 2015-06-08T07:18:14.256Z · LW · GW

Problem is that this formalisation is probably bullshit. It looks a bit like a video game where you generate "research points" for AGI and/or FAI. Research IRL does not work like that. You need certain key insights for AGI and a different set for FAI if some insights are shared among both sets (they probably are) the above model does not work any longer. Further problem: How do you quantify G and F? A mathematical modell with variables you can't quantify is of um very limited use (or should I say ornamentation?).

Comment by EGI on Even better cryonics – because who needs nanites anyway? · 2015-05-26T18:11:36.489Z · LW · GW


Comment by EGI on Even better cryonics – because who needs nanites anyway? · 2015-05-26T17:54:57.922Z · LW · GW

Huh after copying the link to my own post, it works! The link in the above post still does not. Weird!

Comment by EGI on Even better cryonics – because who needs nanites anyway? · 2015-05-26T17:44:24.045Z · LW · GW

I would be VERY interested in reading that paper. Unfortunately the link does not work for me (page not found).

Comment by EGI on HPMOR Wrap Parties: Resources, Information and Discussion · 2015-03-13T21:00:35.396Z · LW · GW

Thinking about it from this direction you are probably correct in doing ths via facebook.

Comment by EGI on HPMOR Wrap Parties: Resources, Information and Discussion · 2015-03-09T15:18:56.412Z · LW · GW

Why not do the whole coordination here on LW instead of Facebook? Much easier to access, since everything on LW is visible without login. And creating an account is easy and has no privacy/terms of use issues.

Comment by EGI on Existential biotech hazard that was designed in the 90s? · 2015-03-08T18:17:16.543Z · LW · GW

Oh, never noticed! Thanks!

Comment by EGI on Existential biotech hazard that was designed in the 90s? · 2015-03-08T07:36:51.132Z · LW · GW

The Google Scholar link has got the same paywall for me but the link fortunately works. Thanks!

Comment by EGI on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 113 · 2015-03-02T17:29:56.043Z · LW · GW

Here is my stab at a solution (already posted at ffnet):

First Harry tells V. that Dementors are death, Patronuses work by not thinking about death and the true Patronus works by using a diferent mindstate which V. probably cannot attain (without specifics). Second Harry states that as long as Dementors are around every person including V have in each moment a small but finite probability to be kissed by one. Over an indefinite timeframe the aggregate probaility that V. is kissed approaches one. How this would interact with V's Horkruxes is unclear but he may easily suffer a fate worse than death. Therfore he should keep Harry around at least until the dementors are dealt with.

Then he points out that given what he knows about the ambiguity of prophecies the prophecy V. heard has probably not clearly identified that Harry and not V. is the threat. Thus V. killing Harry might easily doom the world. This is especially likely as V. is not bound by the vow. Thus V. should keep Harry around to guard against his own mistakes and probably take a similar vow. He himself may offer more vows to further Vs goals in exchange for V. vowing to further Harry's goals and so on. This should be beneficial for even a purely selfish V. who wants the world to survive.

In case V. is not convinced by his above offer of cooperation Harry uses the time they are talking to prepare for an attack on V. and the Death Eaters using partial transfiguration: Thinking about venues for attack he first thinks about transfiguring an invisible nanoweapon such as a monofilament knife to decapitate the death eaters. Though he quickly realizes that that will not work since no known material including carbonanotubes is stiff enough to form an invisible blade of several meters length. Independently acting nanobots are out too, because he lacks time and knoledge to design one let alone test them for safety and efficiency. Then he realizes he does not need them, because partial transfiguration can do everything a nanobot could and even more.

He points his wand to a patch of skin on his leg and starts to transfigure the stratum corneum. An invisible bundle of carbonanotubes extends from his skin to the ground branches out to each death eater running up their robes and into their necks. (They do not feel this, since the bundle of tubes has a crossection of only 50 nm. Pain or touch receptors would not pick that up.) Another branch extends to the Dark Lord, but Harry does not dare touch him with his construct fearing the resonance. Instead he builds a small tower form the ground using carbonanotubes in a pattern resembling the Eiffel Tower extending right into the muzzle of his gun (Beneath the moonlight glints a tiny fragment of silver, a fraction of a line...). He seals the muzzle with a thin sheet of carbonanotubes and fills the barrel with nitroglycerine contained by a second thin sheet of carbonanotubes just before the bullet. All of this is very low volume and quickly transfigured.

If the Dark Lord refuses cooperation he snaps his fingers and immeadetly extends the tube in each of the death eaters neck to severe the brainstem from the spinal cord, the language center from the brain (to prevent wordless, wandless magic) and the neck from the body (black robes, falling). To make sure that everything is properly seperated he turns his entire construct (except for the part in Vs gun) into pressurised air (...blood spills out in litres,...). Now the Dark Lord either surenders or fires his gun. ...and Harry screams a word: "rennervate" and points at Hermione to wake her up. Hermione stunns V. Even if V. fired he should not die immeadetly except if part of the gun passed through his brain. Hermione transfigures V. into a small stone to prevent him from dying and thus from coming back. Afterwards they transfigure the Death Eaters for eventual revival.

I wrote multiple redundant plans, because I genuinely think Harry should be able to convince V. to cooperate for purely selfish reasons. But even if V. is not only rational and selfish but "For the Evulz" Evil and thus refuses, the transfiguration attack should secure Harrys victory.

Comment by EGI on A discussion of heroic responsibility · 2014-10-30T23:43:23.015Z · LW · GW

they just don't have the option of not picking a treatment.

They do, they call the problem "psychosomatic" and send you to therapy or give you some echinacea "to support your immune system" or prescribe "something homeopathic" or whatever... And in very rare cases especially honest doctors may even admit that they do not have any idea what to do.

Comment by EGI on 2014 Less Wrong Census/Survey · 2014-10-27T23:16:34.011Z · LW · GW

Survey taken!

Concerning the mental health questions, how do you weight self diagnosed and diagnosed by psychiatrist? Do you think, given the Less Wrong demographic self diagnosis is less or more reliable (intuitively I would tend to more). How should cases like myself answer - diagnosed with asperger by psychiatrist1, two years later diagnosed with ADHD but not asperger by psychiatrist2, several month later diagnosed as neither asperger nor ADHD by psychiatrist3?

Comment by EGI on The Octopus, the Dolphin and Us: a Great Filter tale · 2014-09-15T11:28:59.901Z · LW · GW

and you certai8nly do get underwater volcanoes, so the ash should be available

No, the ash would react with water immeadetly and thus be useless and you need burned lime (CaO or (CaOH)2), not limestone (CaCO3)

Comment by EGI on The Octopus, the Dolphin and Us: a Great Filter tale · 2014-09-14T19:49:20.894Z · LW · GW

Given an expectation of how hard it is to solve the problem....


... like dolphins in all relevant respects excepts they also have hands (maybe as additional retractable limbs, to preserve swimming capabilities). So they should be about as waterbound as dolphins.

No they are not. They are much less waterbound than seals (watch the video), because they can move around on their hands and use their hands to cover themselves with seaweeds or somesuch to protect against drying / sun. I fully agree with you that such creatures are can bootstrap a civilisation especially if they have scientific knowledge.

Where I disagree is the point where an unmodified dolphin or a strictly waterbound (arbitrarily defined as cannot leave the water for more than 5 seconds) "dolphin with hands" gets anything done on the surface without having significant technology to start with (arbitrarily defined as anything humans could not build 40000 years ago). They would run into the problem that they have to build complex contraptions

Let's make the handle of the axe a much longer stick, and also attach another stick perpendicularly...

to perform simple tasks (felling a tree) without being able to build those complex contraptions without the help of even more complex contraptions (You cannot build what you described in the above quote without having wood and being able to work with it - and do that in a terrestrial environment, where you can not do anything in the first place, because you can not move.).

Comment by EGI on The Octopus, the Dolphin and Us: a Great Filter tale · 2014-09-14T17:34:30.132Z · LW · GW

It's not impossible. Significant evidence of the negative will be obtained if performing a thorough investigation (which would be expected to solve the problem if it can be solved) fails to solve the problem.

You could allways argue that we are both not creative / inteligent enough to find a solution and that this is not indicative that a whole society would not find a solution. And this argument may well be correct.

Start with the simpler problem of developing technology as dolphins with hands.

What does that even mean? A dolphin body with functional human arms and a human brain attached and the necessary modifications to make that work? Well now you have got more or less a meremaid with very substantial terrestrial capabilities (well exeeding those of a seal; watch this to get an impression of what I mean ). A group of creatures like that with general knowledge of science might well make it.

Now imagine this creature as strictly waterbound and I think even in this much simpeler problem we can identify a major showstopper: Iron smelting. Imagine this meremaid civilsation with propper hands, and flintstone tools (Can flintstone be found in the oceans? I don't know) and modern scientific knowledge trying to light a fire. They gather mangrooves using their flint axes, build a raft and throw some wood atop to dry. What now? They cannot board the raft to strike or drill fire so they might try to bulid a mirror to use sunlight. Humans did not do that, but they did not know science, so granted. How do they build it without glass or metal? I don't know, but let's say they manage. So now they have fire, not controlled fire, but a bonfire atop a wooden raft. But they don't need a bonfire they need something like a bloomery and then they need to do some very serious smithing only to build something like a very crude excavator arm to do very basic manipulations in a terrestrial environment. And you cannot do smithing under water.

Let's suppose that it's possible to solve this simpler problem ... Can you come up with a particular example of a very simple action that can be performed with hands (underwater, etc.), which doesn't look like it can be reduced to working without hands?

Can you imagine a way a group of quadruplegics ( imho a good aproximation of a stranded dolphin with a human brain - except that their skin does not dry out - ) could fell a tree with stone tools? And delimb it? And bring it to the construction site? And erect it as a pillar?

Comment by EGI on The Octopus, the Dolphin and Us: a Great Filter tale · 2014-09-09T21:30:18.592Z · LW · GW

I think the basic problem here is that I have to proove a negative, which is, as we all know, impossible. Thus I am pretty much reduced to debating your suggestions. This will sound quite nitpicky but is not meant as an offense, but to demonstrate, where the difficulties would be:

Initially, power can be provided by pulling strong vines (some kind of seaweed will probably work) attached together.

Power to what? Whatever it is it has to be build without hands !!! and with very basic tools. No Seeweed would not work, because there is no evolutionary pressure on aquatic plants to build the strong supportive structures we use from terrestrial plants.

It should be possible to farm trees somewhere on the shoreline

No, trees do not grow in salty environment (except mangroves). How does a dolphin plant, and harvest mangroves without hands and without an axe or a saw (see below).

A saw could be made of something like a shark jaw with vines attached to the sides, so that it can be dragged back and forth.

No it can not: Shark teeth would break quickly and even if they would not, they do not have the correct form to saw wood. Humans allmost exclusively used axes and knives for woodcrafting before the advent of advanced metallurgy. And you do not get wines.

These enable screws, joints, jars and all kinds of basic mechanical components, which can be used in the construction of tools for controlling things on surfaces of rafts, so that in principle it becomes possible to do anything there given enough woodcrafting and bonecrafting work. At this point we also probably have fire and can use tides to power simple machinery, so that it's practical to create bigger controlled environments and study chemistry and materials.

I think you severely underestimate just how helpless a dolphin would be on such a raft or are we talking remote operation? Without metall? Without precision tools? (I mean real 19th century precision tools - lathe, milling cutter and so on, not stone age "precision tools")

To get land access and do uesful work there (gather wood, create fire, smelt metal ect.) a dolphin would imho need something like a powered exoskeleton controlled perhaps by fin movement or better by DNI. Modern humanity might perhaps be able to build something to enable a dolphin to work on land, but not a medival or a stone age human civilisation and certainly not a stone age civilisation without hands.

I hope I have brought across which kind of difficulties I think would prevent your dolphin engineers from ever getting anywhere. If you disagree on a certain point I am willing to discuss it in greater detail

Comment by EGI on The Octopus, the Dolphin and Us: a Great Filter tale · 2014-09-07T19:13:46.666Z · LW · GW

Do you expect animals with human-like intelligence and dolphin-like bodies will fail to develop technological civilization? As a first approximation, I expect a community of modern human engineers (with basic technical background, but no specific knowledge) in dolphin bodies can manage to do that eventually,

How? You can not have fire (no magnesium, phosphorus and so on do not count, since you do not get them without fire), thus you do not get metals, steam and internal combustion engine. Since you do not get metals, you do not get precision tools, or electricity. You are more or less stuck with sharpened rocks and whale bones as a very poor substitute for wood (if you get them in the first place). I am very curious how you think a human or even smarter than human inteligence might bootstrap an industrial civilisation from there.

Comment by EGI on 2013 Less Wrong Census/Survey · 2013-11-29T11:56:05.298Z · LW · GW

Thanks! Did not know that.

Comment by EGI on 2013 Less Wrong Census/Survey · 2013-11-29T11:51:49.402Z · LW · GW

Interesting thought. So how would you define ontologically basic?

Comment by EGI on 2013 Less Wrong Census/Survey · 2013-11-29T11:34:04.918Z · LW · GW

45 to 95 %

Comment by EGI on 2013 Less Wrong Census/Survey · 2013-11-28T09:10:15.608Z · LW · GW

What does it mean to not have Kolmogorov complexity?

What I meant is, that (apart from positional information) you can only give one bit of information about the thing in question: it is there or not. There is no internal complexity to be described. Perhaps I overstreched the meaning of Kolmogorov complexity slightly. Sorry for that.

Do you mean that the entity is capable of engaging in non-computable computations?


Comment by EGI on 2013 Less Wrong Census/Survey · 2013-11-28T08:58:15.696Z · LW · GW

Before I knew of Hilbert space and the universal wave function, I would have said 1, now I am somewhat confused about that.

Comment by EGI on 2013 Less Wrong Census/Survey · 2013-11-26T22:20:23.678Z · LW · GW

Here I understand "ontologically basic" to mean "having no Kolmogorov complexity / not amenable to reductionistic exlanations / does not posses an internal mechanism". Why do you think this is not coherent?

Comment by EGI on 2013 Less Wrong Census/Survey · 2013-11-26T22:13:45.184Z · LW · GW

I personally think it's a strawman...


Comment by EGI on 2013 Less Wrong Census/Survey · 2013-11-26T22:11:53.657Z · LW · GW

My confidence bounds were 75% and 98% for defect, so my estimate was diametrically opposed to yours. If the admittedly low sample size of these comments is any indication, we were both way off.

I expected most of the LessWrong comunity to cooperate for two reasons:

  1. I model them as altruistic as in Kurros comment.
  2. I model them as oneboxing in newcombs problem.

One consideration I did not factor into my prediction is, that - judging from the comments - many people refuse to cooperate in transfering money form CFAR/Yvain to a random community member.

Comment by EGI on 2013 Less Wrong Census/Survey · 2013-11-25T12:25:05.714Z · LW · GW

Supernatural: AFAIK there is no agreed-on definition of "supernatural" events other than "physically impossible" ones which of course have a probability of 0 (epsilon). OTOH, if you specify "events that the average human observer would use the word 'supernatural' to describe", the probability is very high.

Somewhere on LessWrong I have seen supernatural defined as "involving ontologically basic mental entities". This is imho the best deffinition of supernatural I have ever seen and should probably be included into this question in the future. Other definitions do not really make sense with this question, as you allready pointed out.