Ask Not "How Are You Doing?"

post by Collisteru · 2021-07-21T17:53:47.216Z · LW · GW · 12 comments

Like the human body, English conversation retains certain vestigial features. Some of these are malignant, in that they impede lively discourse. Here I address the most common and damaging example I know of: the phrase, “How are you doing?”

This is a staple greeting. Throughout most of the United States and beyond, the phrase follows “hello” almost by reflex. It makes sense in theory. Asking about subjective well-being gives us immediate access to our conversation partner’s personal life, which supports building relationships. Furthermore, the question’s vagueness politely allows plenty of room to choose a topic.

This may be why the phrase has been widespread at least since Shakespeare1. Alas, far gone on the days of queen Gertrude’s response: “One woe doth tread upon another’s heel… ” Instead, the typical modern answer sounds something like this: “fine.” In fact, I rarely hear any other response.

Fine‽ I think, flabbergasted. You could have talked about anything! You could have launched into a rant about the weather or the nature of well-being in society! You could have pursued the opportunity to make an ally, spread an idea, or build rapport on common ground! Instead, you combust all the myriad branches of possibility with a single syllable: “fine”!

I should probably mention that, until very recently, I always made this mistake. Sometimes, an honest answer feels like a social gaffe. This wastes time and contributes nothing to breaking the ice. We might as well just leave it at “hello.”

Allow me to offer an alternative. The next time you greet someone, don’t resort to this inefficient ghost of a greeting. Don’t ask “how are you doing,” ask instead “what are you doing?”

This simple change has many benefits:

In the spirit of balanced inquiry, let’s look at the drawbacks:

These drawbacks are all limited. In my experience, it’s almost always more effective to ask “what are you doing” rather than “how are you doing.” If you retain this habit over time, you may experience more enlightening conversations and a slightly enlivened social life.

1See Hamlet IV.VII, line 175:


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comment by Daniel Morgan (daniel-morgan) · 2021-07-21T20:02:54.684Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I think a lot of information is contained in the tone of the response, even if the words are just "fine." Think of it as a conversational calibration. How much of a hurry is the other person in? Are you giving each other full attention? Are the emotions generally positive?

In business contexts, I like to answer positively, quickly, and without reciprocation. Sets the right tone.

comment by Raemon · 2021-07-22T00:43:45.415Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

See this post [LW · GW] for an in-depth analysis of what's actually going on with "How are you doing?". (the fact that it's not actually a question is a feature, not a bug, in it's primary use case)

That said, I endorse "what have you been thinking about lately?" as a question to ask if you actually want to start an interesting conversation.

comment by GuySrinivasan · 2021-07-22T00:52:09.224Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I hate the greeting.

Sometimes, an honest answer feels like a social gaffe.

Depending on your situation, more like always an honest answer is in fact a social gaffe.

comment by deepthoughtlife · 2021-07-21T22:04:27.484Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

It should be noted that this is not true in a large number of other cultures / languages. Because it is the standard greeting here, 'How are You?' is part of call and response rather than a question, but in places that haven't standardized on it, it is a genuine question.

Honestly, I find it awkward to have questions that aren't meant to be actually answered too.

comment by Dagon · 2021-07-21T20:42:14.287Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I often do stop at "hello". I also sometime use "what ho!" or other archaic/amusing variations.  But most of the time some form of "howzit / how are you / how's it going" is a lighweight conventional conversational handoff to let them know it's their turn to speak.  

In many conversations, a more direct/specific question would be offputting and unhelpful.  It adds pressure to be clever or informative, and takes away options to remain brief and lightweight ("fine.  you?").  I'd prefer most social contacts to start out with this negotiation - each participant has an opportunity to inject important/urgent topics, and only if both pass do you push harder for a non-urgent discussion topic.

Note, this is all rationalization, not rationality - I've had bad luck with trying to start conversations more quickly, and this is my reasoning for why that is.  I'm sticking with simple, short, ambiguous/meaningless introductory phrases (mostly - there are LOTS of exceptions.  Don't be boring on an early date, for instance - your goal there is to seem interesting and find topics of mutual conversation quickly.  

comment by Sulo · 2021-07-22T13:50:20.800Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I often use "What are you up to?" as it seems more natural and can be used almost in any context.

comment by TurnTrout · 2021-07-22T00:08:40.692Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

"What are you doing?" often means "what are you thinking, why are you doing that thing? That's wrong." At least to my ear. 

I prefer to start higher bandwidth conversations with "what have you been thinking about recently?".

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comment by mingyuan · 2021-07-22T01:45:28.036Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Or "what have you been up to." Keeps the same sense as "what are you doing" without the unintended connotations.

comment by Neel Nanda (neel-nanda-1) · 2021-07-22T12:12:01.140Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I like "what's the most exciting thing to happen to you recently?" as a replacement/follow-up to how are you - I find it often sparks interesting things

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comment by philh · 2021-07-22T15:54:42.628Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Have you tried something like "what's something exciting" instead? "The most exciting" would lead me down some internal flailing like "ahh geeze, the most exciting? Okay time to rank all the things that have happened", but I could believe it works better on average.

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comment by ChristianKl · 2021-07-22T16:55:46.571Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This likely depends on how literal the people with whom you are talking take what you say.

comment by irarseil · 2021-07-22T19:58:22.916Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

If 'what are you doing?' generalises, I'd say people would end up answering just the same way people answer to 'how are you?' or 'how are you doing?'. In fact, in Spanish '¿qué haces?' or in Greek 'Τι κάνεις;' (both literally meaning 'what are you doing?') can be used, depending on formality and closeness, as greetings, and the usual answers are as shallow as 'fine'. In other languages, 'where are you going?' is a customary greeting and again it's not expected to be answered with an honest description of where you're physically going to, but rather with another more or less fixed expression similar to 'fine'.