[U.S. Specific] Free money (~$5k-$30k) for Independent Contractors and grant recipients from U.S. governmentpost by elityre, habryka (habryka4) · 2020-04-10T05:00:35.435Z · LW · GW · 18 comments
EIDL program is an EIDL? to apply for an EIDL loan (~ 10 minutes of work) The paycheck protection program What is the paycheck protection program? for independent contractor applying to the Paycheck Protection Program (~ 1 hour of work) If you have an existing business account with a bank, apply via your bank If you don’t have a business account First, apply via Kabbage Second, apply via Fountainhead [Unvetted] Third, apply via NorthOne Fourth, express interest on all of these forms Some additional lenders at which you might be able to apply depending on your circumstances Moral considerations How likely is this to pay off? (some) Frequently Asked Questions I’m an independent contractor and a sole proprietor. How can it be the case that there are different deadlines for those two categories? Should I count myself as “1” employee, or should I say that I have 0 employees? [Please ask any questions that you might have about any of this, as well as offer any corrections, confusions, or additional info that you may have in the comments. I'm figuring this out on the fly, as much as anyone else is.] None 18 comments
Epistemic Status: I spent the past couple of days looking into this, but there is far more that I don’t know than that I do. I may be wrong about some of this, and this certainly has gaps and omissions. If you know something I don’t, or you think something here is wrong, please say so in the comments.
tldr: The US government is giving away several hundred billions of dollars to small businesses as part of COVID-19 stimulus. If you are an independent contractor who received income in 2019, you are eligible for (on average) $10,000 to $30,000. The process for applying for that money as an independent contractor is somewhat tricky, and so this post is to guide you through it.
We expect money to be allocated on a first come, first serve basis, and to run out fast, so we recommend that you follow these steps ASAP. From what we can tell almost all banks stopped accepting applications for the business-version of this program within 6 hours of opening their applications, so time is really of the essence here. For independent contractors this program starts on April 10th (tomorrow), for everyone else it started on April 3rd.
Peter Hurford made a post about this [EA · GW] same program two weeks ago where he mostly talked about the opportunities for charities. This post is about the opportunities for independent contractors and sole proprietors, which should also include many grant recipients.
This post is broken into two sections, the first describes how to apply for a EIDL loan (likely worth at minimum something like $1000), and the second describes how to apply for the paycheck protection program (probably worth ~0.2 * your annual income for 2019).
What is an EIDL?
EIDL stands for “Economic Injury Disaster Loan”, and is described here.
While the term used is “loan”, the “loan” in question does not have to be repaid, making this effectively a taxfree grant.
In response to the Coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, small business owners in all U.S. states, Washington D.C., and territories are eligible to apply for an Economic Injury Disaster Loan advance of up to $10,000. This advance will provide economic relief to businesses that are currently experiencing a temporary loss of revenue. Funds will be made available following a successful application. This loan advance will not have to be repaid.
Small Business Administration (emphasis mine)
How to apply for an EIDL loan (~ 10 minutes of work)
To apply, just fill out this application on the SBA website.
The paycheck protection program
What is the paycheck protection program?
The Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) is a key section within the recently passed Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act (CARES) Act that allocates $349 billion for small business (< 500 employees) loans to support payroll and certain other expenses. Loans are available for up to 2.5 times of your average monthly payroll during the year preceding the application, with a maximum loan of $10 million. If employers maintain their payroll and use loan funds for allowed expenses like payroll, rent and utilities for the first 8 weeks after the loan is issued, the loan amount is forgiven. The PPP is retroactive to February 15, 2020.
You are eligible for an amount equal to [(yearly income for 2019) / 12] * 2.5 . For many independent contractors, that could be on the order of $10,000 to $20,000,
By default, this is a loan, which you are expected to pay back. However, 100% of the principle is eligible for loan forgiveness, so long as you spend the >= 75% of the total amount on payroll costs (i.e. pay the money to yourself). Given loan forgiveness, this is essentially a tax free grant.
You can apply for forgiveness of the loan 8 weeks after you receive it, and the process seems pretty simple. (According to some article that I read 2 days ago, but can’t find at the moment.)
This page has regular updates about the program.
Instructions for independent contractor applying to the Paycheck Protection Program (~ 1 hour of work)
The PPP loans are distributed by SBA approved lenders. You’ll have to apply through one of them to receive a grant.
If you have an existing business account with a bank, apply via your bank
This is the standard way to apply for a PPP loan. Unfortunately, most banks are only serving existing customers who have a business account with them.
If you do have a business account with a Bank, follow the instructions on your bank's website.
However, most banks will have a lending cap, which will be quickly filled, therefore you may want to apply via the methods under the “if you don’t have a business account” in addition to applying with your bank.
If you don’t have a business account
Since most of us will not have a business bank account, we’ll have to apply via other methods.
First, apply via Kabbage
You can currently submit a full application via Kabbage (a fintech startup). Given that this is a full application, and not merely an interest form, it is one of the venues that I am most optimistic about. (On the other hand, the fact that they have an open application, and have for several days, suggests that many people may have applied and are “ahead of you” in line, which is reason to be less optimistic.)
- Go to this site: https://www.kabbage.com/paycheck-protection-program-loans/, and fill out the application.
- Once you have applied they will ask you to upload some documents. This includes a picture of your driver's licence, a 2019 schedule C form from your taxes, any 1099-MISC you may have received, and payroll documentation.
- Note: you do not have to have filed your taxes to submit a schedule C. If you have prepared your taxes, but not filed, and you submit a schedule C, that is fine.
- Note: I asked one of Kabbage’s phone support people about the payroll info, given that that doesn’t have much applicability to me. He said to submit whatever info I had available,
[Kabbage’s phone support was pretty quick and helpful, so you might call them if you get confused.]
Second, apply via Fountainhead
Fountainhead is another lender that has a full application available right now. As near as I can tell, it is totally legal to apply for a loan from multiple lenders, so long as you don’t accept a loan from multiple lenders. (However, I am not a lawyer or an accountant, and I may be wrong about that.) Given that supposition, you may want to apply to multiple lenders, to increase your chances of actually securing a loan.
Note: I think that “2019 Payroll Cost” should be equal to your “2019 Annual Gross Revenue”, or perhaps your “2019 Annual Gross Revenue” - the business expenses you declared on your taxes. I’m pretty sure that it shouldn’t be 0.
[Unvetted] Third, apply via NorthOne
I just found this one as I was preparing this post, so I haven’t gone through it myself, yet. They appear to have an open application form, however.
Fourth, express interest on all of these forms
All of the following are expressions of interest forms, instead of full applications, but if you fill them out, you’ll put yourself on a list, and the lender in question will contact you if/when they have capacity in their pipeline.
Each of these are single-page interest forms and it shouldn’t take more than 10 or 15 minutes to fill out all of them.
- Celtic Bank
- Live Oak Bank
- They are focusing on current customers, but you can still apply.
- US Bank
- Umpqua Bank
- They have “temporarily suspended” applications, but do have an interest form to fill out. It is unclear to me if you need to be an existing customer in order to be eligible.
- First home bank
- They have suspended applications, but you can apply to be notified if/when they reopen them)
- Mechanics bank
- They say that they are prioritizing folk that have an existing account)
Some additional lenders at which you might be able to apply depending on your circumstances
Lenders who haven’t opened (or reopened) applications yet, and recommend that you check back at their website regularly:
Banks with location based constraints (which might work for some of you?):
- First United
- Serving Texas and Oklahoma
- Midwest Bank Centre
- Their website says they are only serving their local area, but also, you just email them the application, so you can try it and see what happens, especially if you can say that you live in “St. Louis City, St. Louis County, St. Charles County, [or] Jefferson County.”
There is a question of whether it's immoral to apply to this if you aren't one of the people who needs these stimulus funds the most. My current model is that many of us will be affected by the economic uncertainty of the upcoming recession – for example I expect OpenPhil, SFF, the LTF, and other x-risk/EA funders to see a substantially reduced funding capacity – and that I think it makes sense for you to apply. I also think many other individuals and businesses who will need the funds less than you do will apply, and that you do always have the option to later on donate an amount equivalent to the money you get from this.
[edit: Daniel Kokotajlo [LW · GW] points out that the application asks you to certify that, "Current economic uncertainty makes this loan request necessary to support the ongoing operations of the Applicant." For many of us that is untrue, and saying otherwise would be lying. See discussion [LW(p) · GW(p)] in comments.]
How likely is this to pay off?
I don’t know.
I could try and assign a number to the probability that you will actually receive a loan/ grant from this process, but there is so much uncertainty in this whole thing, that I feel like putting a number on it would do little more than anchor you illegitimately.
If you insist, I think that if you fill out all of the above applications, sometime on April 10th, I think there’s something like a 1 to 10% chance of getting money from the EIDL, and a 10 to 40% chance of getting money from the Paycheck Protection Program. I pulled those numbers completely out of my ass, they are very likely to be overestimated or underestimated. and they are contingent on new information (like congress approving more stimulus money).
(some) Frequently Asked Questions
I’m an independent contractor and a sole proprietor. How can it be the case that there are different deadlines for those two categories?
I don’t know. It seems like confusing poorly executed logistics to me.
This page explains the technical nuance of the two designations, but it is true that they often overlap.
Should I count myself as “1” employee, or should I say that I have 0 employees?
From the little research that I did, I got mixed messages about this, but my best guess is that you should put “1” for “number of employees” questions. It is possible that I am mistaken.
[Please ask any questions that you might have about any of this, as well as offer any corrections, confusions, or additional info that you may have in the comments. I'm figuring this out on the fly, as much as anyone else is.]
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