Any Trump Supporters Want to Dialogue?

post by k64 · 2024-09-28T19:41:55.370Z · LW · GW · 4 comments

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It's that time of year - the time when rationality seems increasingly scarce as political tensions rise.  I find myself wishing I could have one of the people I see reaching super different conclusions shoot me with a POV gun so I could understand what it's like being on the other side.  
I'm not strongly left-leaning, so I don't have trouble understanding why people may have some concerns about the left - but I have 0% support for Donald Trump, so if you want to explain to me why you think he's great, go for it.  I also think that the election is close to 50/50 currently, so if you think it's 80+/20- either way, I'm also interested in hearing from you.
 

2 notes:
1. I really wish I understood how the irrational people were thinking about it, but unfortunately, they aren't able to explain it to me in a way I can understand, so I have to settle for rational people on the other side, but if you feel you have a good grasp on how your less rational peers tick, please share.
2. In your comment, let me know if you want pushback or not.  Let's make the options: "just listen", "listen and question", and "open".  Just listen means I'll attempt to only ask questions to clarify your meaning but not test edge cases.  Listen and questions means I'll also ask about edge cases, internal coherence, other considerations, but won't be presenting evidence or making statements.  Open means I can respond however I want.  

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comment by MattJ · 2024-09-28T20:35:51.554Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I’m not allowed to vote in the election but I hope Trump wins because I think he will negotiate a peace in Ukraine. If Harris wins I think the war will drag on for another couple of years at worst.

I have no problem getting pushback.

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comment by k64 · 2024-09-28T20:38:39.096Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Why do you believe that Trump will negotiate a peace?

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comment by MattJ · 2024-09-28T20:39:42.214Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Because he says so.

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comment by k64 · 2024-09-28T21:14:04.506Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

For me, a candidates claim of what they will do is sufficient when they have unilateral control over doing it.  For instance, I believe a claim to sign or veto a specific type of bill.  I don't tend to believe that they will make the economy good, avoid recession, close all the tax loopholes, etc.  
Do you:
a) believe candidates when they claim they will be successful at things not entirely in their control
b) believe Trump but not others (like Kamala) when they claim they'll do things not entirely in their control
c) think that a Russia-Ukraine peace negotiation would be entirely in Trump's control
d) see some actions that are entire in Trump's control that you are confident would cause peace
e) other