# The Kelly Criterion

post by Zvi · 2018-10-15T21:20:03.430Z · LW · GW · 18 commentsEpistemic Status: Reference Post / Introduction

The Kelly Criterion is a formula to determine how big one should wager on a given proposition when given the opportunity.

It is elegant, important and highly useful. When considering sizing wagers or investments, if you don’t understand Kelly, *you don’t know how to think about the problem.*

In almost every situation, reasonable attempts to use it will be somewhat wrong, but superior to ignoring the criterion.

What Is The Kelly Criterion?

The Kelly Criterion is defined as (from Wikipedia):

For simple bets with two outcomes, one involving losing the entire amount bet, and the other involving winning the bet amount multiplied by the payoff odds, the Kelly bet is:

where:

f* is the fraction of the current bankroll to wager, i.e. how much to bet;bis the net odds received on the wager (“bto 1″); that is, you could win $b (on top of getting back your $1 wagered) for a $1 betpis the probability of winning;qis the probability of losing, which is 1 −p.As an example, if a gamble has a 60% chance of winning (

p= 0.60,q= 0.40), and the gambler receives 1-to-1 odds on a winning bet (b= 1), then the gambler should bet 20% of the bankroll at each opportunity (f* = 0.20), in order to maximize the long-run growth rate of the bankroll.

(A bankroll is the amount of money available for a gambling operation or series of wagers, and represents what you are trying to grow and preserve in such examples.)

**For quick calculation, you can use this rule: bet such that you are trying to win a percentage of your bankroll *** equal to your percent edge. *In the above case, you win 60% of the time and lose 40% on a 1:1 bet, so you on average make 20%, so try to win 20% of your bankroll by betting 20% of your bankroll.

Also worth remembering is if you bet *twice *the Kelly amount, on average the geometric size of your bankroll *will not grow at all, *and anything larger than that will on average cause it to shrink.

**If you are trying to grow a bankroll that cannot be replenished, Kelly wagers are an ****upper bound ****on what you can ever reasonably wager, and 25%-50% of that amount is the sane range. **You should be *highly suspicious *if you are considering wagering anything above half that amount.

(Almost) never go full Kelly.

Kelly betting, or betting full Kelly, is correct if *all *of the following are true:

- You care only about the long-term geometric growth of your bankroll.
- Losing your entire bankroll would indeed be infinitely bad.
- You do not have to worry about fixed costs.
- When opportunities to wager arise, you never have a size minimum or maximum.
- There will be an unlimited number of future opportunities to bet with an edge.
- You have no way to meaningfully interact with your bankroll other than wagers.
- You can handle the swings.
- You have full knowledge of your edge.

*At least *seven of these eight things are *almost never *true.

In most situations:

- Marginal utility is decreasing, but in practice falls off far less than geometrically.
- Losing your entire bankroll would end the game, but that’s life. You’d live.
- Fixed costs, including time, make tiny bankrolls only worthwhile for the data and experience.
- There is
*always*a maximum, even if you’ll probably never hit it. Long before that, costs go up and people start adjusting the odds based on your behavior. If you’re a small fish, smaller ponds open up that are easier to win in. - There are only so many opportunities. Eventually we are all dead.
- At some cost you can usually earn money and move money into the bankroll.
- You can’t handle the swings.
- You don’t know your edge.

There are two reasons to preserve one’s bankroll. A bankroll provides opportunity to get data and experience. One can use the bankroll to make money.

Executing real trades is necessary to get worthwhile data and experience. Tiny quantities work. A small bankroll with this goal must be preserved and variance minimized. Kelly is far too aggressive.

If your goal is profit, $0.01 isn’t much better than $0.00. You’ll need to double your stake seven times to even have a dollar. That will take a long time with ‘responsible’ wagering. The best thing you can do is bet it all long before things get that bad. If you lose, you can walk away. Stop wasting time.

Often you should do both simultaneously. Take a small amount and grow it. Success justifies putting the new larger amount at risk, failure justifies moving on. One can say that this can’t possibly be optimal, but it is simple, and psychologically beneficial, and a limit that is easy to justify to oneself and others. This is often more important.

The last reason, #8, is the most important reason to limit your size. If you often have less edge than you think, but still have some edge, reliably betting too much will often turn you from a winner into a loser. Whereas if you have *more *edge than you think, and you end up betting too little, that’s all right. You’re gonna be rich anyway.

For compactness, I’ll stop here for now.

## 18 comments

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## comment by johnswentworth · 2018-10-15T23:18:10.719Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

A bit more explanation on what the Kelly Criterion is, for those who haven't seen it before: suppose you're making a long series of independent bets, one after another. They don't have to be IID, just independent. They key insight is that the long-run payoff will be the *product* of the payoff of each individual bet. So, from the central limit theorem, the logarithm of the long-run payoff will converge to the average logarithm of the individual payoffs times the number of bets.

This leads to a simple statement of the Kelly Criterion: to maximize long-run growth, maximize the *expected logarithm* of the return of each bet. It's quite general - all we need is multiplicative returns and some version of the central limit theorem.

## ↑ comment by interstice · 2021-01-14T03:54:52.171Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Seconding shminux, found this explanation really helpful.

## comment by ESRogs · 2018-10-16T08:45:58.043Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

(Almost) never go full Kelly.

Kelly betting, or betting full Kelly, is correct ifallof the following are true:

Just to clarify, the first two points that followed are actually reasons you might want to be *more* risk-seeking than Kelly, no? At least as they're described in the "most situations" list:

Marginal utility is decreasing, but in practice falls off far less than geometrically.

Losing your entire bankroll would end the game, but that’s life. You’d live.

If your utility is linear in money, you should just bet it all every time. If it's somewhere between linear and logarithmic, you should do something in between Kelly and betting it all.

Replies from: Zvi## ↑ comment by Zvi · 2018-10-16T10:47:24.953Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Being linear in utility is insufficient to make betting it all correct, you also need to be able to place bets of unlimited size (or not have future opportunities for advantage bets). Otherwise, even if your utility outside of the game is linear, inside of the game it is not.

And yes, some of these points are towards being *more* risk-loving than Kelly, at which point you consider throwing the rules out the window.

Replies from: Oscar_Cunningham## ↑ comment by Oscar_Cunningham · 2018-10-16T14:06:19.033Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

even if your utility outside of the game is linear, inside of the game it is not.

Are there any games where it's a wise idea to use the Kelly criterion even though your utility outside the game is linear?

Replies from: Douglas_Knight## ↑ comment by Douglas_Knight · 2018-10-16T16:18:47.242Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Yes, if the game has many opportunities for betting, you should focus on the *instrumental* use of the money, which is via compounding, thus the instrumental value is geometric, and so you should use the Kelly criterion. In particular, if your edge is small (but can be repeated), the only way you can make a lot of money is by compounding, so you should use the Kelly criterion.

## ↑ comment by Oscar_Cunningham · 2018-10-16T16:33:39.971Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Can you give a concrete example of such a game?

Replies from: Gurkenglas## ↑ comment by Gurkenglas · 2018-10-16T18:02:15.918Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

You start with with 10 bucks, I start with 10 bucks. You wager any amount up to a hundred times, each time doubling it 60% of the time and losing it 40% of the time, until one of us is bankrupt or you stop. If you wager it all, I have a 40% chance to win. If you wager one buck at a time, you win almost certainly.

Replies from: Oscar_Cunningham## ↑ comment by Oscar_Cunningham · 2018-10-16T18:39:28.929Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

If you wager one buck at a time, you win almost certainly.

But that isn't the Kelly criterion! Kelly would say I should open by betting *two* bucks.

In games of that form, it seems like you should be more-and-more careful as the amount of bets gets larger. The optimal strategy doesn't tend to Kelly in the limit.

EDIT: In fact my best opening bet is $0.64, leading to expected winnings of $19.561.

EDIT2: I reran my program with higher precision, and got the answer $0.58 instead. This concerned me so I reran again with infinite precision (rational numbers) and got that the best bet is $0.21. The expected utilities were very similar in each case, which explains the precision problems.

EDIT3: If you always use Kelly, the expected utility is only $18.866.

Replies from: rk## ↑ comment by rk · 2018-10-17T00:03:27.955Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Does your program assume that the Kelly bet stays a fixed size, rather than changing?

Here's a program you can paste in your browser that finds the expected value from following Kelly in Gurkenglas' game (it finds EV to be 20)

https://pastebin.com/iTDK7jX6

(You can also fiddle with the first argument to `experiment`

to see some of the effects when 4 doesn't hold)

## ↑ comment by Oscar_Cunningham · 2018-10-17T00:38:14.810Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I believe you missed one of the rules of Gurkenglas' game, which was that there are at most 100 rounds. (Although it's possible I misunderstood what they were trying to say.)

If you assume that play continues until one of the players is bankrupt then in fact there are lots of winning strategies. In particular betting any constant proportion less than 38.9%. The Kelly criterion isn't unique among them.

My program doesn't assume anything about the strategy. It just works backwards from the last round and calculates the optimal bet and expected value for each possible amount of money you could have, on the basis of the expected values in the next round which it has already calculated. (Assuming each bet is a whole number of cents.)

Replies from: rk## comment by gianlucatruda · 2021-03-01T16:18:30.201Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I just discovered this now, Zvi. It's such a great heuristic!

I whipped up an interactive calculator version in Desmos for my own future reference, but others might find it useful too: https://www.desmos.com/calculator/pf74qjhzuk

## comment by adamzerner · 2018-10-20T17:44:37.617Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I'm trying to think of real life situations where this is useful, but I don't think I am doing too good a job.

For people who are trying to use their bankroll to make money:

- People who are in charge of spending money in a business. When there is money available for a business, you want to invest it to grow it, but you don't want to risk too much and go bankrupt.
- People who play the stock market for profit. (Although from what I understand, the stock market is so competitive that trying to outperform is almost always a bad idea.)
- People who gamble for a living. Poker is the big example I can think of where this can make sense. With most other forms of gambling, like blackjack, the odds are against you. And with things like sports betting where you could get an edge if you're smart enough, my understanding is that the house takes a big enough cut such that it's really, really hard to get an edge.

For people who are looking to gamble for the sake of intellectual growth, like OP says, tiny quantities should work. And even if you need to bet in larger quantities so that you "feel the pain", 1) these quantities are still probably going to be a small fraction of your overall bankroll, and 2) if you are gambling for the sake of intellectual growth, you are probably smart enough to get a job that pays a lot of money, and can thus replenish your bankroll easily.

## comment by Oscar_Cunningham · 2018-10-16T13:34:57.081Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Marginal utility is decreasing, but in practice falls off far less than geometrically.

I think this is only true if you're planning to give the money to charity or something. If you're just spending the money on yourself then I think marginal utility is literally zero after a certain point.

Replies from: SaidAchmiz, Zvi## ↑ comment by Said Achmiz (SaidAchmiz) · 2018-10-16T16:39:15.291Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I think this doesn’t take into account two things:

- The line between “spending on yourself” and “giving to charity” is thin.
- Signaling arms races.

For example, suppose I am a billionaire. I’ve got my mansions in every city, my helicopter, my private island, and a vault full of gold that I can dive into, Scrooge McDuck style. What more can I want?

In a word: intangibles. I’ve purchased joy, security, and freedom; now I want respect. I want people everywhere to love me, and my name to be synonymous with goodness and benevolence.

So I give to charity. But so does everyone, right? My friend/rival Bob—also a billionaire—has just given *five hundred million dollars* to save cute puppies in war-torn countries. TIME magazine man of the year! Me? I’m a footnote on page 40.

The more money I make, the more I can give. The more I can give (and/or spend on other things! there’s more than one way to reap the intangible benefits of fame, after all), the more I gain—in *real benefit, to myself, personally*.

My marginal utility of money, then, is far greater than zero.

## ↑ comment by Zvi · 2018-10-22T12:39:57.879Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Consider the parallel to the AI whose goal is to bring you coffee, so it takes over the world to make sure no one can stop it from bringing you coffee: The fact that one *might *need or want more money makes it nonzero.

The more serious issue here is something I call the Uncanny Valley of Money, which I hope to write about at some point soon, where you have to move from spending on yourself (at as little as 1:1, in some sense) to spending on everyone (at up to 7000000000:1, or even more if you count the future, in some sense), in order to actually make any progress even for yourself.