Comment by clone-of-saturn on Experimental Open Thread April 2019: Socratic method · 2019-06-16T08:48:03.884Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · LW · GW

What's different about these domains? Can you tell them apart in any way?

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Reasonable Explanations · 2019-06-16T07:46:51.506Z · score: 14 (4 votes) · LW · GW

meta: LW supports spoiler tags now.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Experimental Open Thread April 2019: Socratic method · 2019-06-16T06:56:06.259Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · LW · GW

Is there anything that makes observations different or distinguishable from imaginations? If so, what?

Comment by clone-of-saturn on No, it's not The Incentives—it's you · 2019-06-15T19:08:31.034Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · LW · GW

Right... but fraud rings need something to initially nucleate around. (As do honesty rings)

Comment by clone-of-saturn on No, it's not The Incentives—it's you · 2019-06-15T17:54:06.274Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · LW · GW

I don't endorse the quoted statement, I think it's just as perverse as you do. But I do think I can explain how people get there in good faith. The idea is that moral norms have no independent existence, they are arbitrary human constructions, and therefore it's wrong to shame someone for violating a norm they didn't explicitly agree to follow. If you call me out for falsifying data, you're not recruiting the community to enforce its norms for the good of all. There is no community, there is no all, you're simply carrying out an unprovoked attack against me, which I can legitimately respond to as such.

(Of course, I think this requires an illogical combination of extreme cynicism towards object-level norms with a strong belief in certain meta-norms, but proponents don't see it that way.)

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Asymmetric Weapons Aren't Always on Your Side · 2019-06-09T10:32:40.007Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · LW · GW

Of course, I completely agree with this, especially this part:

“we’ve put massive amounts of effort into punishing physical violence as a way to solve problems and as a tool it’s acceptable to use (generally, and in the domain of sexuality).

Punishing physical violence. With more efficient violence. What we've done is brought a very large coalition into extremely precise agreement about who it's acceptable to do violence to ("criminals" for short), who must do it, and how it must be done. Not only will uninvolved bystanders intervene to ensure these violent norms are followed, but we even have a class of professional violent bystanders (the police).

The sort of spontaneous lashing out that you brought up is exactly the kind of thing highly organized violence excels at suppressing. Lack of such violence, overall, tends to make life much worse for physically weaker non-criminals, even if it might let them get away with occasionally pepper-spraying a catcaller.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Asymmetric Weapons Aren't Always on Your Side · 2019-06-09T09:44:07.688Z · score: 9 (2 votes) · LW · GW

Right, and also the ability to do science and engineering, the ability to frankly discuss strategy without too much political backstabbing, etc. tends to favor less-hellish societies.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Asymmetric Weapons Aren't Always on Your Side · 2019-06-08T09:37:14.017Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · LW · GW

See my other reply.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Asymmetric Weapons Aren't Always on Your Side · 2019-06-08T09:36:23.732Z · score: 16 (4 votes) · LW · GW

My problem with this is that human history is heavily saturated with violent conflict; most places on earth have been violently conquered not just once but many times. If violence were really asymmetric in a bad direction, goodness ought to have been very thoroughly eliminated by now!

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Asymmetric Weapons Aren't Always on Your Side · 2019-06-08T03:37:08.229Z · score: 13 (3 votes) · LW · GW

Violence isn’t merely symmetric—it’s asymmetric in a bad direction, since fascists are better than violence than you.

This seems like a strange opinion to have, given that the fascists were in fact the losers of the most violent conflict in history, and their name became the default metonym for pure badness as a direct result of that loss.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Arbital scrape · 2019-06-07T04:23:01.514Z · score: 10 (3 votes) · LW · GW

I've been working on something similar, it should be ready soon-ish.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Major Update on Cost Disease · 2019-06-05T22:01:22.819Z · score: 22 (8 votes) · LW · GW

If we measure the Baumol effect in healthcare using "salary and benefits" where there's no increase in salary and the increase in benefits all goes to increased healthcare costs, that seems like a form of circular reasoning or begging the question. We've only concluded that healthcare costs increased because healthcare benefits increased.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Tales From the American Medical System · 2019-05-10T18:51:00.865Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

(but what would be the effects of making potentially dangerous medications freely available?)

Well, you can already walk into any hardware store and buy all sorts of deadly poisons, no questions asked. So my guess would be not much, except they'd be a lot cheaper.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Privacy · 2019-05-03T00:05:23.651Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

Only if you assume everyone loses an equal amount of privacy.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Counterfactuals about Social Media · 2019-04-24T05:22:44.947Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · LW · GW

Would you mind being more specific about what you find lacking in other tools?

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Moral Weight Doesn't Accrue Linearly · 2019-04-23T23:55:45.629Z · score: 7 (5 votes) · LW · GW

It seems natural to weight things according to how much I expect to be able to interact with them.

Obviously that means my weightings can change if I unexpectedly gain or lose the ability to interact with things, but I can't immediately think of any major problems with that.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Moral Weight Doesn't Accrue Linearly · 2019-04-23T23:02:52.716Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · LW · GW

Personally, I would modus tollens this and take it as an example of why it's absurd to morally value things in other universes or outside my light cone.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Moving to a World Beyond “p < 0.05” · 2019-04-20T21:17:49.960Z · score: 20 (8 votes) · LW · GW

Previously on Less Wrong:

Elsewhere:

Comment by clone-of-saturn on User GPT2 is Banned · 2019-04-02T08:28:37.093Z · score: 9 (2 votes) · LW · GW

I'm happy to discuss any concerns you have about it.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on User GPT2 Has a Warning for Violating Frontpage Commenting Guidelines · 2019-04-02T07:57:45.349Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

Yup.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Experimental Open Thread April 2019: Socratic method · 2019-04-02T06:01:52.252Z · score: 13 (4 votes) · LW · GW

What's the difference between "the source of observations" and "reality?"

Comment by clone-of-saturn on User GPT2 Has a Warning for Violating Frontpage Commenting Guidelines · 2019-04-02T04:16:17.343Z · score: 15 (3 votes) · LW · GW

I added an ignore user feature to GreaterWrong; go to a user's page and click the Ignore User button (Ignore User image)

Comment by clone-of-saturn on What LessWrong/Rationality/EA chat-servers exist that newcomers can join? · 2019-04-01T03:57:59.499Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · LW · GW

You can access the #lesswrong IRC through this link.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Please use real names, especially for Alignment Forum? · 2019-03-29T06:28:11.263Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · LW · GW

OK, I added real names in a hover popup. I might try out some other options later.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Hazard's Shortform Feed · 2019-03-24T00:27:08.227Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

But why stop at individual people? This kind of ontological deflationism can naturally be continued to say there are no individual people, just cells, and no cells, just molecules, and no molecules, just atoms, and so on. You might object that it's absurd to say that people don't exist, but then why isn't it also absurd to say that groups don't exist?

Comment by clone-of-saturn on What failure looks like · 2019-03-18T02:35:25.791Z · score: 5 (3 votes) · LW · GW

Oops, this bug should be fixed now.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Has "politics is the mind-killer" been a mind-killer? · 2019-03-17T09:40:33.597Z · score: 10 (3 votes) · LW · GW

You write:

The truth of the mat­ter is, that policy de­ci­sions can of­ten have life-and-death con­se­quences.

But also:

ONE WAY OF THINKING ABOUT poli­tics is AS IF IT IS an ex­ten­sion of war by other means. Ar­gu­ments CAN BE THOUGHT OF AS sol­diers.

This seems like a contradiction. As you allude to, the fundamental question of politics is whose desires should and can legitimately be overridden by society--up to and including their desire not to be killed. With stakes so high, how can you justify placing good faith debate above using whatever tactics are necessary to avoid losing? It seems to me that if arguments aren't soldiers, you aren't actually engaged in politics.

What societies have ever had legal or accepted blackmail?

2019-03-17T09:16:55.560Z · score: 33 (10 votes)
Comment by clone-of-saturn on The Case for a Bigger Audience · 2019-02-20T02:03:51.117Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · LW · GW

You're right that this site is geared to not wanting a large audience in absolute terms; this post is implicitly about having a relatively larger share of the small pool of people who are intellectually engaged with LW-relevant topics.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Introducing the AI Alignment Forum (FAQ) · 2019-02-16T06:30:02.404Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · LW · GW

This should work now, sorry about the delay.

Comment by clone of saturn on [deleted post] 2019-02-15T05:48:09.765Z

Test comment editing

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Boundaries - A map and territory experiment. [post-rationality] · 2019-02-01T03:14:09.135Z · score: 12 (4 votes) · LW · GW

I'm afraid the only confusion this generated for me was confusion about what the confusion was supposed to be...

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Is Agent Simulates Predictor a "fair" problem? · 2019-01-25T20:17:54.175Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

It's impossible to enumerate possible worlds and pick the best one without a decision theory, because your decision process gives the same output in every possible world where you have a given epistemic state. We obviously need counterfactuals to make decisions, and the different decision theories can be seen as different theories about how counterfactuals work.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Open Thread January 2019 · 2019-01-15T22:08:53.453Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · LW · GW

This thread might be relevant to your question.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Why Don't Creators Switch to their Own Platforms? · 2018-12-23T09:55:53.336Z · score: 11 (5 votes) · LW · GW

My guess would be that this has a lot to do with IQ differences of both the audience and the creators. First, Sam Harris listeners may have a much easier time learning new apps and websites than PewDiePie viewers. Second, PewDiePie is primarily "famous for being famous" and there are many people producing videos of more-or-less equivalent quality to PewDiePie's, whereas there aren't that many nearly identical podcast hosts ready to step in and replace Sam Harris as soon as his podcast becomes slightly more inconvenient to access.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on What is "Social Reality?" · 2018-12-13T18:31:15.960Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

If you lived without having a bike, sure. I don't think you could get away with that level of ignorance if you had to build or repair a bike yourself.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on The Bat and Ball Problem Revisited · 2018-12-13T09:23:25.060Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

I just saw the answer to the bat and ball problem within a few seconds. As I remember, my thought process was something like: Could it be 10 cents? No, that adds up to $1.20. So there's an extra 10 cents--oh, of course, the difference between $1 and $1.10 has to be distributed evenly between both items, so the answer is 5 cents.

I've taken a course that covered simultaneous equations, but my memory of it is hazy enough that I'm sure that method would've taken me much longer.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on What is "Social Reality?" · 2018-12-13T09:11:42.311Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

People seem to be conflating "social reality" with "social constructs." To me these are very different phenomena—the appropriate way to form a line would be a social construct, since we've constructed a real phenomenon, line forming, out of a social consensus. It doesn't really matter whether you perceive it as an arbitrary convention or an objective truth, so long as you play along with the game. Social reality, on the other hand, is when your brain filters out anything that would be socially irrelevant or inconvenient to notice before it even reaches conscious awareness, like how most people filter out the details of how a bicycle works. I'm not sure if other people use these terms the same way I do, but it seems like these are both common and very different phenomena, so it would be nice to have distinct terms for them.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on What is "Social Reality?" · 2018-12-11T22:25:20.383Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · LW · GW

But "conformity" is about actions, while "social reality" is about perceptions. Maybe "social umwelt" would make more sense, though.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Book Review - Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness · 2018-12-08T22:33:03.508Z · score: 3 (3 votes) · LW · GW

Right.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Is Science Slowing Down? · 2018-12-08T04:35:33.618Z · score: 20 (5 votes) · LW · GW

I think panicky preemptive denials of being alt-right are much more likely to associate us with them than the odd comment using the term "NPC," and furthermore, I think truthseeking is already more than impossible enough without constantly taking your eyes off the ball to worry about what various political factions will think. If you're that worried about people thinking you're alt-right, I'd suggest commenting under a single-use pseudonym.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Book Review - Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness · 2018-12-04T21:13:17.577Z · score: 15 (5 votes) · LW · GW

You can experience this form of "blindsight" for yourself with a simple experiment. Try standing on one foot for 30 seconds. Pretty easy, right? Do you need to be looking at anything in particular? Now try doing the same thing with your eyes closed.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Act of Charity · 2018-11-18T16:26:13.400Z · score: 12 (8 votes) · LW · GW

You could follow the A Crime A Day twitter account.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Rationality Is Not Systematized Winning · 2018-11-16T23:15:18.378Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · LW · GW

I think that LW ra­tion­al­ity has given me a slightly bet­ter un­der­stand­ing of the lim­it­a­tions of ex­perts, so com­pared to the av­er­age smart per­son, I know that I prob­ably shouldn’t rely too much on the new think­ing on the topic, either.

Great. But what should I do in­stead? LW ra­tion­al­ity doesn’t really tell me, so in prac­tice—if I go with the “screw it, I’ll just do some­thing” men­tal­ity, I just fall back into go­ing with the best ex­pert pre­dic­tions any­way.

It seems like LW rationality would straightforwardly tell you that this means you ought to keep your eggs in multiple different baskets rather than investing everything in the single top expert opinion. (Assuming you're risk-averse, which it sounds like you are.)

Comment by clone-of-saturn on The new Effective Altruism forum just launched · 2018-11-10T08:12:27.779Z · score: 31 (8 votes) · LW · GW

I've added a GreaterWrong view of the new forum: https://ea.greaterwrong.com/. There are probably still a few bugs, let me know if you have any problems with it.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Inconvenience Is Qualitatively Bad · 2018-11-01T00:11:24.875Z · score: 5 (3 votes) · LW · GW

That rebuttal doesn't appear to be very extensive at all. All of the claimed benefits are extremely vague other than job creation, and if creating jobs is the only concretely measurable benefit of recycling, there seems to be no strong reason to believe it wouldn't be more economically and environmentally efficient to pay those people to do other things, or even just to twiddle their thumbs.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Debate Rules In Benjamin Franklin's Junto · 2018-10-31T18:29:44.192Z · score: 11 (3 votes) · LW · GW

I think “pos­it­ive” may mean “force­ful” (and I think you may be tak­ing it to mean “ap­prov­ing”).

This is still a primary meaning in contemporary English:

adjective

  1. explicitly stated, stipulated, or expressed: a positive acceptance of the agreement.
  2. admitting of no question: positive proof.
  3. stated; express; emphatic: a positive denial.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/positive

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Raemon's Shortform Feed · 2018-10-31T04:58:14.820Z · score: 13 (4 votes) · LW · GW

Idea: moderation by tags. People (meaning users themselves, or mods) could tag comments with things like #newbie-question, #harsh-criticism, #joke, etc., then readers could filter out what they don't want to see.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Schools Proliferating Without Practicioners · 2018-10-26T22:35:10.858Z · score: 15 (5 votes) · LW · GW

Here's the list of studies included in the original Reproducibility Project: Psychology.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on Facebook, The Rodents, and The Common Knowledge Machine · 2018-10-24T02:50:03.992Z · score: 5 (3 votes) · LW · GW

Eliezer has mentioned his reasons for moving to Facebook.

Comment by clone-of-saturn on UBI for President · 2018-10-21T03:55:42.261Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

If this is about knowledge work, there's also the problem that each new employee introduces large fixed communication overhead -- imagine instead of hiring one employee to work 40 hours a week, you hired 40 employees to work 1 hour a week. Most likely nothing at all would ever get done.

An alternative way to browse LessWrong 2.0

2018-02-19T01:52:06.462Z · score: 102 (31 votes)