LessWrong has been acquired by EA

post by habryka (habryka4) · 2025-04-01T13:09:11.153Z · LW · GW · 43 comments

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(Edit: Alas, EA has pulled out of the deal [LW(p) · GW(p)]. Let April 1st 2025 mark some of the greatest hours in EAs history)

Hey Everyone,

It is with a sense of... considerable cognitive dissonance that I am letting you all know about a significant development for the future trajectory of LessWrong. After extensive internal deliberation, projections of financial runways, and what I can only describe as a series of profoundly unexpected coordination challenges, the Lightcone Infrastructure team has agreed in principle to the acquisition of LessWrong by EA.

I assure you, nothing about how LessWrong operates on a day to day level will change. I have always cared deeply about the robustness and integrity of our institutions, and I am fully aligned with our stakeholders at EA. 

To be honest, the key thing that EA brings to the table is money and talent. While the recent layoffs in EAs broader industry have been harsh, I have full trust in the leadership of Electronic Arts, and expect them to bring great expertise to our project of building a better future. Their track record on monetization is impressive, and I couldn't be more excited for this partnership.

More announcements to come over the next 24 hours, but I figured I would share this news with all of you as soon as possible.

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comment by Alice Blair (Diatom) · 2025-04-01T14:49:02.677Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

After reviewing the evidence, both of the EA acquisition and the cessation of Lightcone collaboration with the Fooming Shoggoths, I'm updating my p(doom) upwards 10 percentage points, from 0.99 to 1.09.

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comment by habryka (habryka4) · 2025-04-01T15:09:21.297Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Where is it now? :P

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comment by Alice Blair (Diatom) · 2025-04-01T15:22:07.654Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I have not been able to independently verify this observation, but am open to further evidence if and only if it updates my p(doom) higher.

comment by Vaniver · 2025-04-01T18:11:49.487Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

What convinced me this made sense? 

  • One of EA's most popular and profitable games is The Sims, which famously benefits from Sim irrationality. In The Sims 5, there will be bold and new exciting ways for your Sims to behave, and they'll be able to use our memetic virality model to have controversies and factional alignment. (Generating scissor statements is ethical so long as you're doing it in Simlish.)
  • EA is investing in the hypothesis that bad writing drives underperformance. Having ratfic writers and philosophers look at Mass Effect 3 could have turned that from a disappointing series-ender (did you play Andromeda?) to a resounding triumph, and Dragon Age: Veilguard, despite being positively reviewed in general, was panned for its weak writing and became inflamed in culture war controversy. We've thought a lot about how misbehaving gods would act, in a way that I think would have made for a more compelling story and user experience.
  • I didn't expect we could do anything relating to EA's flagship sports games (FIFA, NHL, Madden, etc.), but what astonished me was the potential to do the reverse. I don't know if we'll be able to get Gwern 2025 out in time, but look forward to Gwern 2026. They were practically salivating at the idea of being able to take a normally annual product, tied to sports schedules that won't be adjusted by advancing AI progress, and adapt it to a domain which, as part of an overall hyperbolic growth curve, will generate enough new content for a new release in ~half the time every new release. 
comment by leogao · 2025-04-02T00:32:33.705Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

the intent is to provide the user with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different rationality methods.

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comment by habryka (habryka4) · 2025-04-02T00:40:21.022Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Absolutely, that is our sole motivation.

comment by dr_s · 2025-04-01T16:02:24.376Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Concurrently, GiveWell has announced that all of your donations will be devolved to the development of EA Sports' latest entry of the NBA Live game series:

it's nothing but net.

comment by Wei Dai (Wei_Dai) · 2025-04-02T06:35:45.277Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Just wanted to let everyone know I now wield a +307 strong upvote thanks to my elite 'hacking' skills. The rationalist community remains safe, because I choose to use this power responsibly.

As an unrelated inquiry, is anyone aware of some "karma injustices" that need to be corrected?

comment by TsviBT · 2025-04-01T14:05:02.350Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

i think i'm in the wrong universe, can someone at tech support reboot the servers or something? it's not reasonable for you to screw up something as simple as putting paying customers in the right simulation . and then you're like "here's some picolightcones". if you actually cared it would be micro or at least nano

comment by GeneSmith · 2025-04-01T20:52:54.286Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

 

I'm being gaslit so hard right now

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comment by habryka (habryka4) · 2025-04-01T21:13:06.576Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Lol, get a bigger screen :P 

(The cutoff is 900 pixels)

comment by datawitch · 2025-04-01T14:03:49.272Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

You had me until Electronic Arts lmao.

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comment by Jan Christian Refsgaard (jan-christian-refsgaard) · 2025-04-01T21:16:08.217Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Why the down votes?, this guy showed epistemic humility and said when he got the Joke, I can understand not upvoting as it is not the most information dense engaging post, but why down vote?, down voting confuses me and I fear it may discourage other people from writing on LW.

Edit: this post had -12, so probably 1-2 super down voted or something, and then stopped.

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comment by habryka (habryka4) · 2025-04-01T21:37:11.779Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Yeah, our friends at EA are evidently still figuring out some of their karma economy. I have been cleaning up places where people go a bit crazy, but I think we have some whales walking around with 45+ strong upvote-strength.

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comment by lc · 2025-04-01T21:40:10.455Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

As a newly minted +100 strong upvote, I think the current karma economy accurately reflects how my opinion should be weighted

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comment by faul_sname · 2025-04-01T22:09:47.844Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

As a newly-minted +1 strong upvote, I disagree, though I feel that this change reflects the level of care and attention to detail that I expect out of EA.

comment by habryka (habryka4) · 2025-04-02T02:00:32.467Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

You can now choose which virtues you want to display next to your username! Just go to the virtues dialogue on the frontpage and select the ones you want to display (up to 3).

comment by williawa (william-wale) · 2025-04-01T13:26:19.768Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Hey, I paid for picolightcones, but they didn't appear? But I am being deducted from my card. Is this how its supposed to be?

I haven't collected all the virtues yet, but now there is no way for me to acquire more lootboxes because I've ran out of lw-bucks. I don't know what to do.

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comment by Ben Pace (Benito) · 2025-04-01T13:32:23.571Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

While we always strive to deliver the premium unfinished experience you expect from EA, it seems this bug slipped past our extensive testing. We apologize; a day-one patch is already in development.

(I expect you will see your picoLightcones in the next 30-60 mins.)

Edit: And you should have now gotten them, and any future purchases should go through ~immediately.

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comment by williawa (william-wale) · 2025-04-01T13:59:56.804Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I have not gotten them.

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comment by Ben Pace (Benito) · 2025-04-01T14:24:39.767Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Oops! Then we have taken that feature down for a bit until further testing is done (and the devs have had a little more sleep).

comment by AprilSR · 2025-04-02T01:27:12.386Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Why do I have dozens of strong upvote and downvote strength, but no more agreement strength than before I began my strength training? Does EA not think agreement is importance?

comment by Zane · 2025-04-01T23:47:37.584Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I have 5/12 virtues but one of them is the virtue of perfectionism so I can't stop thinking about the other 7.

comment by Gordon Seidoh Worley (gworley) · 2025-04-01T20:58:48.704Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

And lo, the people, though they were virtuous, were not virtuous enough to receive the blessing of the 12th virtue.

comment by Beyond Singularity (beyond-singularity) · 2025-04-01T18:27:13.323Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Finally, the singularity is near... the singularity of LessWrong posts being evaluated by engagement metrics and monetization potential! Called it – always knew the 'Game Culture Civilization' model would eventually be implemented by a major publisher. Looking forward to seeing how EA balances the status economy with microtransactions for faster 'Pure Game' progression. This acquisition has real synergy!

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comment by Jan Christian Refsgaard (jan-christian-refsgaard) · 2025-04-01T21:07:34.805Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
  • Bronze User, 10€/month, gain Super upvote ability
  • Silver User, 20€/month, posts cannot be down voted
  • Gold User, 30€/month, post can be promoted to front page
  • Platinum User, 50€/month, all posts are automatically promoted to the front page and curriated.
  • Diamond User, 100€/month, user now only see adds on long posts

Loot Box: 10% Chance for +100 upvotes, 5% Chance for curriated status of random post

Each user tier gives 1 loot box per month.

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comment by Beyond Singularity (beyond-singularity) · 2025-04-01T21:36:13.068Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Haha, brilliant! The loot box mechanic is inspired! Finally, a way to gamify intellectual progress. Question: can we trade duplicate +100 upvotes on the community market?

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comment by Jan Christian Refsgaard (jan-christian-refsgaard) · 2025-04-02T18:21:07.380Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Yes, and EA only takes a 70% cut, with a 10% discount per user tier, its a bit ambiguously written so I cant tell if it goes from 70% to 60% or to 63%

comment by G Wood (geoffrey-wood) · 2025-04-03T00:48:54.882Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Ahh, i liked the music, but cannot find it now. Is it available somewhere?

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comment by habryka (habryka4) · 2025-04-03T03:12:57.714Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I am planning to make an announcement post for the new album in the next few days, maybe next week. The songs yesterday were early previews and we still have some edits to make before it's ready!

comment by Maloew (maloew-valenar) · 2025-04-02T00:08:44.577Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Are the new songs going to be posted to youtube/spotify, or should I be downloading them?

comment by Algon · 2025-04-01T19:17:10.088Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Why not Valve?

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comment by lsusr · 2025-04-01T19:47:43.146Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Perhaps they're not as effective at fostering a sense of pride and accomplishment in their playerbase.

comment by Afterimage · 2025-04-03T04:27:42.604Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Can you please send the new fooming shoggoth album to spotify, I was really enjoying that music! 

edit: Ah I see this question has been answered, but I like to note that I'm impressed by the ai music and I'm going to look into making some myself. Perhaps songs about cognitive bias's could be a good way to learn them deep enough in your brain that you can avoid them in non-theroetic situations. 

comment by NickyP (Nicky) · 2025-04-01T22:06:58.273Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Hmm, it seems the when I achieved the virtue of The Void, it was absorbed by the void

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comment by RobertM (T3t) · 2025-04-01T22:41:41.662Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Sorry, there was a temporary bug where we were returning mismatched reward indicators to the client.  It's since been patched!  I don't believe anybody actually rolled The Void during this period.

comment by Jan Christian Refsgaard (jan-christian-refsgaard) · 2025-04-01T20:55:19.055Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Unable to comply, building in progress.

comment by Ram Potham (ram-potham) · 2025-04-01T19:08:33.004Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

With all this new funding, are we finally turning LW-Bux into real money? I'm ready to sell!

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comment by lsusr · 2025-04-01T23:16:06.655Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

You're too late. Lightcone converted LW karma into USD at a rate of $1 USD per karma on April 1, 2022 [LW · GW].

comment by Bunthut · 2025-04-01T14:54:01.630Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Before logging in I had 200 LW-Bux, and 3 virtues. Now I have 50 LW and 8 virtues, and I didn't do anything. Whats that? Is there any explanation of how this stuff works?

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comment by habryka (habryka4) · 2025-04-01T15:05:59.148Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Huh, I currently have you in our database as having zero LW-Bux or virtues. We did some kind of hacky things to enable tracking state both while logged in and logged out, so there is a non-trivial chance I messed something up, though I did try all the basic things. Looking into it right now.

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comment by Bunthut · 2025-04-01T15:12:09.461Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

6 picolightcones as well, don't think that changed.