On the OpenPhil / OpenAI Partnership

Epistemic Note: 
The implications of this argument being true are quite substantial, and I do not have any knowledge of the internal workings of Open Phil. 

(Both title and this note have been edited, cheers to Ben Pace for very constructive feedback.)

Premise 1: 
It is becoming increasingly clear that OpenAI is not appropriately prioritizing safety over advancing capabilities research.

Premise 2:
This was the default outcome. 

Instances in history in which private companies (or any individual humans) have intentionally turned down huge profits and power are the exception, not the rule. 

Edit: To clarify, you need to be skeptical of seemingly altruistic statements and commitments made by humans when there are exceptionally lucrative incentives to break these commitments at a later point in time (and limited ways to enforce the original commitment).

Premise 3:
Without repercussions for terrible decisions, decision makers have no skin in the game. 

Conclusion:
Anyone and everyone involved with Open Phil recommending a grant of $30 million dollars be given to OpenAI in 2017 shouldn't be allowed anywhere near AI Safety decision making in the future.

To go one step further, potentially any and every major decision they have played a part in needs to be reevaluated by objective third parties. 

This must include Holden Karnofsky and Paul Christiano, both of whom were closely involved. 

To quote OpenPhil:
"OpenAI researchers Dario Amodei and Paul Christiano are both technical advisors to Open Philanthropy and live in the same house as Holden. In addition, Holden is engaged to Dario’s sister Daniela."

 

A concerning amount of alignment research is focused on fixing misalignment in contemporary models, with limited justification for why we should expect these techniques to extend to more powerful future systems.

By improving the performance of today's models, this research makes investing in AI capabilities more attractive, increasing existential risk.

Imagine an alternative history in which GPT-3 had been wildly unaligned. It would not have posed an existential risk to humanity but it would have made putting money into AI companies substantially less attractive to investors.

Train Tracks

The above gif comes from the brilliant childrens claymation film, "Wallace and Gromit The Wrong Trousers". In this scene, Gromit the dog rapidly lays down track to prevent a toy train from crashing. I will argue that this is an apt analogy for the alignment situation we will find ourselves in the future and that prosaic alignment is focused only on the first track.

The last few years have seen a move from "big brain" alignment research directions to prosaic approaches. In other words asking how to align near-contemporary models instead of asking high level questions about aligning general AGI systems. 

This makes a lot of sense as a strategy. One, we can actually get experimental verification for theories. And two, we seem to be in the predawn of truly general intelligence, and it would be crazy not to be shifting our focus towards the specific systems that seem likely to cause an existential threat. Urgency compels us to focus on prosaic alignment. To paraphrase a (now deleted) tweet from a famous researcher "People arguing that we shouldn't focus on contemporary systems are like people wanting to research how flammable the roof is whilst standing in a burning kitchen"*

What I believe this idea is neglecting is that the first systems to emerge will be immediately used to produce the second generation. AI assisted programming has exploded in popularity, and while Superalignment is being lauded as a safety push, you can view it as a commitment from OpenAI to produce and deploy automated researchers in the next few years. If we do not have a general theory of alignment, we will be left in the dust.

To bring us back to the above analogy. Prosaic alignment is rightly focused on laying down the first train track of alignment, but we also need to be prepared for laying down successive tracks as alignment kicks off. If we don't have a general theory of alignment we may "paint ourselves into corners" by developing a first generation of models which do not provide a solid basis for building future aligned models.

What exactly these hurdles are, I don't know. But let us hope there continues to be high level, esoteric research that means we can safely discover and navigate these murky waters.

*Because the tweet is appears to be deleted, I haven't attributed it to the original author. My paraphrase may be slightly off.

There are meaningful distinctions between evolution and other processes referred to as "optimisers"

People should be substantially more careful about invoking evolution as an analogy for the development of AGI, as tempting as this comparison is to make.

"Risks From Learned Optimisation"  is one of the most influential AI Safety papers ever written, so I'm going to use it's framework for defining optimisation. 

"We will say that a system is an optimiser if it is internally searching through a search space (consisting of possible outputs, policies, plans, strategies, or similar) looking for those elements that score high according to some objective function that is explicitly represented within the system" ~Hubinger et al (2019) 

It's worth noting that the authors of this paper do consider evolution to be an example of optimisation (something stated explicitly in the paper). Despite this, I'm going to argue the definition shouldn't apply to evolution.
 

2 strong (and 1 weak) Arguments That Evolution Doesn't Fit This Definition:

Weak Argument 0:
Evolution itself isn't a separate system that is optimising for something. (Micro)evolution is the change in allele frequency over generations. There is no separate entity you can point to and call "evolution".

Consider how different this is from a human engaged in optimisation to design a bottle cap. We have the system that optimises, and the system that is optimised.

It is tempting to say "the system optimises itself" but then go ahead and define the system you would say is engaged in optimisation. That system isn't "evolution" but is instead something like "the environment", "all carbon based structures complexes on earth" or "all matter on the surface of earth" etc. 

Strong Argument 1:
Evolution does not have an explicitly represented objective function.

This is a major issue. When I'm training a model against a loss function I can explicitly represent that loss function. It is possible to physically implement 

There is no single explicit representation of what "fitness" is within our environment. 

Strong Argument 2:
Evolution isn't a "conservative" process. The thing that it is optimising "toward" is dependent on the current state of the environment, and changes over time. It is possible for evolution to get caught in "loops" or "cycles". 

- A refresher on conservative fields. 

In physics a conservative vector field is vector field that can be understood of the gradient of some other function. By associating any point in that vector field with the corresponding point on the other function, you meaningfully order each point in your field. 

To be less abstract, imagine your field is "slope" which describes the gradient of a mountain range. You can talk meaningfully order the points in the slope field by the height of the point they correspond to on the mountain range. 

In a conservative vector field, the curl everywhere is zero. Letting a ball roll down the mountain range (with a very high amount of friction) and the ball will find its way to a local minima and stop. 

In a non-conservative vector field it is possible to create paths that loop forever. 

My local theme-park has a ride called the "Lazy River" which is an artificial river which has been formed into a loop. There is no change in elevation, and the water is kept flowing clockwise by a series of underwater fans which continuously put energy into the system. Families hire floating platforms and can drift endlessly in a circle until their children get bored.

If you throw a ball into the Lazy River it will circle endlessly. If we write down a vector field that describes the force on the ball at any point in the river, it isn't possible to describe this field as the gradient of another field. There is no absolute ordering of points in this field. 

- Evolution isn't conservative

In the ball rolling over the hills, we might be able to say that as time evolves it seems to be getting "lower". By appealing to the function that it is the gradient of, we can meaningfully say if two points are higher, lower or the same height.

In the lazy river, this is no longer possible. Locally, you could describe the motion of the ball as rolling down a hill, but continuing this process around the entire loop tells you that you are describing an impossible MC Escher Waterfall.

If evolution is not conservative (and hence has no underlying goal it is optimising toward) then it would be possible to observe creatures evolving in circles, stuck in "loops". Evolving, losing then re-evolving the same structures.

This is not only possible, but it has been observed. The side-blotched lizard appear to shift throat colours in a cyclic repeating pattern.  For more details, See this talk by John Baez. 

To summarise, the "direction" or "thing evolution is optimising toward" cannot be some internally represented thing, because the thing it optimises toward is a function of not just the environment but also of the things evolving in that environment. 

Who cares?

Using evolution as an example of "optimisation" is incredible common among AI safety researchers, and can be found in Yudkowsky's writing on Evolution in The Sequences. 

I think the notion of evolution as an optimiser can do more harm than good.

As a concrete example, Nate's "Sharp Left Turn [LW · GW]" post was weakened substantially by invoking an evolution analogy, which spawned a lengthy debate (see Pope [LW · GW], 2023 and the response from Zvi [LW · GW]). This issue could have been skipped entirely simply by arguing in favour of the Sharp Left Turn without any reference to evolution (see my upcoming post on this topic).

Clarification Edit:
Further I'm concerned that AI Safety research lacks a sufficiently robust framework for reasoning about the development, deployment and behaviour of AGI's. I am very interested in the broad category of "deconfusion". It is under that lens that I comment on evolution not fitting the definition in RFLO. It indicates that the optimiser framework in RFLO may not be cutting reality at the joints, and a more careful treatment is needed.

To conclude

An intentionally provocative and attention-grabbing summary of this post might be "evolution is not an optimiser", but that is essentially just a semantic argument and isn't quite what I'm trying to say.

A better summary is "in the category of things that are referred to as optimisation, evolution has numerous properties that it does not share with ML optimisation, so be careful about invoking it as an analogy".

On similarities between ML similar to RLHF and evolution:
You might notice that any form of ML that relies on human feedback, also fails to have an "internal representation" of what it's optimising toward, instead getting feedback from humans assessing it's performance. 

Like evolution, it is also possible to set up this optimisation process so that it is also not "conservative". 

A contrived example of this:
Consider training a language model to complete text if the humans giving feedback exhibited a preference for text that was a function of what they'd just read. If the model outputs dense, scientific jargon the humans prefer lighter prose. If the models output light prose, the humans prefer more formal writing etc.

 

(This is a draft of a post, very keen for feedback and disagreement) 

"Let us return for a moment to Lady Lovelace’s objection, which stated that the machine can only do what we tell it to do.

One could say that a man can ‘inject’ an idea into the machine, and that it will respond to a certain extent and then drop into quiescence, like a piano string struck by a hammer. Another simile would be an atomic pile of less than critical size: an injected idea is to correspond to a neutron entering the pile from without. Each such neutron will cause a certain disturbance which eventually dies away. If, however, the size of the pile is sufficiently increased, the disturbance caused by such an incoming neutron will very likely go on and on increasing until the whole pile is destroyed. 

Is there a corresponding phenomenon for minds, and is there one for machines?"
 

— Alan Turing, Computing Machinery and Intelligence, 1950

Soon there will be an army of intelligent but uncreative drones ready to do all the alignment research grunt work. Should this lead to a major shift in priorities?

This isn't far off, and it gives human alignment researchers an opportunity to shift focus. We should shift focus to the of the kind of high level, creative research ideas that models aren't capable of producing anytime soon*. 

Here's the practical takeaway: there's value in delaying certain tasks for a few years. As AI evolves, it will effectively handle these tasks. Meaning you can be substantially more productive in total as long as you can afford to delay the task by a few years.

Does this mean we then concentrate only on the tasks an AI can't do yet, and leave a trail of semi-finished work? It's a strategy worth exploring.

*I believe by the time AI is capable of performing the entirety of scientific research (PASTA) we will be within the FOOM period.

Inspired by the recent OpenAI paper and a talk Ajeya Cotra gave last year.

Lies, Damn Lies and LLMs

Despite their aesthetic similarities it is not at all obvious to me that models "lying" by getting answers wrong is in any way mechanistically related to the kind of lying we actually need to be worried about. 

Lying is not just saying something untrue, but doing so knowingly with the intention to deceive the other party. It appears critical that we are able to detect genuine lies if we wish to guard ourselves against deceptive models. I am concerned that much of the dialogue on this topic is focusing on the superficially similar behaviour of producing an incorrect answer.

I worry that behaviours that don't fit this definition are being branded as "lying" when in fact they're simply "The LLM producing an incorrect answer". We'll suggest three mechanistically distinct ways of producing incorrect information in the organic world, only one of which should really be considered lying. We will also equate this to behaviour we've seen in LLMs (primarily GPT models finetuned with RL).

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Here are 3 different types of "producing false" information we can observe in the world.

1. Communicating false information unknowingly.
2. Deceiving another party with false information unknowingly but in a way which is "evolutionarily deliberate" and benefits you (instinctual deception).   
3. Communicating false information knowingly and with an attempt to deceive (regular lies).

Notice that this is not exhaustive. For example we haven't including cases where you "guess something to be correct" but communicate it with the hope that the person believes you regardless of what the answer is.

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Communicating False Information unknowingly:

In humans, this is when you simply get an answer incorrect our of confusion. False information has been communicated, but not by any intention of yourself.

In contemporary LLMs (without complex models of the human interacting with it) this likely accounts for most of the behaviour seen as "lying". 

Instinctual Deception:

Bit of a weird one that I debated leaving out. Bear with me.

Some animals will engage in the bizarre behaviour of "Playing Dead" when faced with a threat. I haven't spent much time searching for mechanistic explanations, but I would like you to entertain the idea that this behaviour is sometimes instinctual. It's seems unreasonable that an animal as simple as a green-head ant is holding strategic thoughts about why it should remained immobile, curled into a ball when there is a much simpler type of behaviour for evolution to have instilled. Namely, when it detects a very dangerous situation (or is too stressed etc) it triggers the release of specific chemical signals in the body which result in the playing dead behaviour.

This is a deceptive behaviour that show evolutionary benefits but does occur due to any intent to deceive from the actual animal itself. 

In contemporary LLM's, specifically those trained using reinforcement learning, I would like to hypothesize that this type of deception can be found in the tedious disclaimers that chatGPT will give you sometimes when asked a slightly tricky question. Including outright denying it knows information that it does actually have access to.

My argument is that this is actually be produced by RL selection pressure, with no part of chatGPT being "aware" or "intentionally" trying to avoid answering difficult questions. Analogously, not every animal playing dead are nescessarily aware of the tactical reason for doing so. 

Regular Lies:

Finally, we get to good old fashioned lying. Just ripping the first definition off Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy we have  the following "To lie, to make a believed-false statement to another person with the intention that the other person believe that statement to be true." 

You require an actual model of the person to deceive them, you're not just telling the wrong answer and you have an intention of misleading that party. 

In contemporary LLMs this has never been demonstrated to my knowledge. But this is what the deceptive AI's we need to be worried about. 

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And now, having walked the reader through the above I will now undermine my argument with a disclaimer. I haven't gone out and surveyed how common of an error this is for researchers to make, nor dedicated more than an hour into targeted philosophical research on this topic, hence why this is on my shortform. The analogy made between "evolution" and RL training has not been well justified here. I believe there is a connection wriggling it's eyebrows and pointing suggestively.

Inspired by Mark Xu's Quick Take [LW(p) · GW(p)]on control. 

Some thoughts on the prevalence of alignment over control approaches in AI Safety. 

• "Alignment research" has become loosely synonymous with "AI Safety research". I don't know if any researcher who would state they're identical, but alignment seems to be considered the default AI Safety strategy. This seems problematic, may be causing some mild group-think and discourages people from pursuing non-alignment AI Safety agendas. 
• Prosaic alignment research in the short term results in a better product, and makes investment into AI more lucrative. This shortens timelines and, I claim, increases X-risk. Christiano's work on RLHF^[1] was clearly motivated by AI Safety concerns, but the resulting technique was then used to improve the performance of today's models.^[2] Meanwhile, there are strong arguments that RLHF is insufficient to solve (existential) AI Safety. [LW(p) · GW(p)]^[3]  [LW(p) · GW(p)]^[4]
• Better theoretical understanding about how to control an unaligned (or partially aligned) AI facilitates better governance strategies. There is no physical law that means the compute threshold mentioned in SB 1047^[5] would have been appropriate. "Scaling Laws" are purely empirical and may not hold in the long term. 
  In addition, we should anticipate rapid technological change as capabilities companies leverage AI assisted research (and ultimately fully autonomous researchers). If we want laws which can reliably control AI, we need stronger theoretical foundations for our control approaches. 
• Solving alignment is only sufficient for mitigating the majority of harm caused by AI if the AI is aligned to appropriate goals. To me, it appears the community is incredibly trusting in the goodwill of the small group of private individuals who will determine the alignment of an ASI. ^[6]
  My understanding of the position held by both Yudkowsky and Christiano is that AI alignment is a very difficult problem and the probability is high that humanity is completely paperclipped. Outcomes in which a small portion of humanity survive are difficult to achieve^[7] and human controlled dystopia's are better than annihilation^[8].
  I do not believe this is not representative of the views of the majority of humans sharing this planet. Human history shows that many people are willing to risk death to preserve the autonomy of themselves, their nation or cultural group^[9]. Dystopias also carry substantial S-risk for those unlucky enough to live through them, with modern history containing multiple examples of widespread, industrialised torture. 
  Control approaches present an alternative in which we do not have to get it right the first time, may avert a dystopia and do not need to trust a small group of humans to behave morally.
• If control approaches aid governance, alignment research makes contemporary systems more profitable and the majority of AI Safety research is being done at capabilities companies, it shouldn't be surprising that the focus remains on alignment. 

1. ^{^}

   https://openai.com/index/learning-from-human-preferences/

2. ^{^}

   https://openai.com/index/finding-gpt4s-mistakes-with-gpt-4/

3. ^{^}

   An argument for RLHF being problematic is made formally by Ngo, Chan and Minderman (2022).

4. ^{^}

   See also discussion in this comment chain [LW(p) · GW(p)]on Cotra's Without specific countermeasures, the easiest path to transformative AI likely leads to AI takeover (2022)

5. ^{^}

   models trained using 10²⁶ integer or floating-point operations.

6. ^{^}

   https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/DJRe5obJd7kqCkvRr/don-t-leave-your-fingerprints-on-the-future

7. ^{^}

   "all I want is that we have justifiable cause to believe of a pivotally useful AGI 'this will not kill literally everyone'" 
   - Yudkowksy, AGI Ruin: A List of Lethalities (2022) [LW · GW]

8. ^{^}

   "Sure, maybe. But that’s still better than a paperclip maximizer killing us all." - Christiano on the prospect of dystopian outcomes.  [LW · GW]

9. ^{^}

   There is no global polling on this exact question. Consider that people across cultures have proclaimed that they'd prefer death to a life without freedom. See also men who committed suicide rather than face a lifetime of slavery. 

You are given a string s corresponding to the Instructions for the construction of an AGI which has been correctly aligned with the goal of converting as much of the universe into diamonds as possible. 

What is the conditional Kolmogorov Complexity of the string s' which produces an AGI aligned with "human values" or any other suitable alignment target.

To convert an abstract string to a physical object, the "Instructions" are read by a Finite State Automata, with the state of the FSA at each step dictating the behavior of a robotic arm (with appropriate mobility and precision) with access to a large collection of physical materials. 

Feedback wanted!

What are your thoughts on the following research question:

"What nontrivial physical laws or principles exist governing the behavior of agentic systems."

(Very open to feedback along the lines of "hey that's not really a research question")

 

Are humans aligned? 

Bear with me! 

Of course, I do not expect there is a single person browsing Short Forms who doesn't already have a well thought out answer to that question. 

The straight forward (boring) interpretation of this question is "Are humans acting in a way that is moral or otherwise behaving like they obey a useful utility function." I don't think this question is particularly relevant to alignment. (But I do enjoy whipping out my best Rust Cohle impression) 

Sure, humans do bad stuff but almost every human manages to stumble along in a (mostly) coherent fashion. In this loose sense we are "aligned" to some higher level target, it just involves eating trash and reading your phone in bed.

But I don't think this is a useful kind of alignment to build off of, and I don't think this is something we would want to replicate in an AGI.

Human "alignment" is only being observed in an incredibly narrow domain. We notably don't have the ability to self modify and of course we are susceptible to wire-heading. Nothing about current humans should indicate to you that we would handle this extremely out of distribution shift well.

 

People are not being careful enough about what they mean when they say "simulator" and it's leading to some extremely unscientific claims. Use of the "superposition" terminology is particularly egregious.

I just wanted to put a record of this statement into the ether so I can refer back to it and say I told you so. 

Highly Expected Events Provide Little Information and The Value of PR Statements

A quick review of information theory:

Entropy for a discrete random variable is given by $I\left(X\right)=-{\sum }_{i}p\left(x_i\right)\log p\left(x_i\right)$.  This quantifies the amount of information that you gain on average by observing the value of the variable.

It is maximized when every possible outcome is equally likely. It gets smaller as the variable becomes more predictable and is zero when the "random" variable is 100% guaranteed to have a specific value.

You've learnt 1 bit of information when you learn the outcome of a fair coin toss was heads. But you learn 0 information, when you learn the outcome was heads after tossing a coin with heads on both side.

PR statements from politicians:

On your desk is a sealed envelope that you've been told contains a transcript of a speech that President Elect Trump gave on the campaign trail. You are told that it discusses the impact that his policies will have on the financial position of the average American. 

How much additional information do you gain if I tell you that the statement says his policies will have a positive impact on the financial position of the average American?

The answer is very little. You know ahead of time that it is exceptionally unlikely for any politician to talk negatively about their own policies. 

There is still plenty of information in the details that Trump mentions, how exactly he plans to improve the economy. 

PR statements from leading AI Research Organizations:

Both Altman and Amodei have recently put out personal blog posts in which they present a vision of the future after AGI is safely developed. 

How much additional information do you gain from learning that they present a positive view of this future?

I would argue simply learning that they're optimistic tells you almost zero useful information about what such a future looks like.

There is plenty of useful information, particularly in Amodei's essay, in how they justify this optimism and what topics they choose to discuss. But their optimism alone shouldn't be used as evidence to update your beliefs. 

Edit:

Fixed pretty major terminology blunder. 

(This observation is not original, and a similar idea appears in The Sequences.) [LW · GW]

Entropy production partially solves the Strawberry Problem:

Change in entropy production per second (against the counterfactual of not acting) is potentially an objectively measurable quantity that can be used either in conjunction with other parameters specifying a goal to prevent unexpected behaviour.

Rob Bensinger gives Yudkowsky's "Strawberry Problem [LW · GW]" as follows:

How would you get an AI system to do some very modest concrete action requiring extremely high levels of intelligence, such as building two strawberries that are completely identical at the cellular level, without causing anything weird or disruptive to happen?

I understand the crux of this issue to be that it is exceptionally difficult for humans to construct a finite list of caveats or safety guardrails that we can be confident would withstand the optimisation pressure of a super intelligence doing its best to solve this task "optimally". Without care, any measure chosen is Goodharted into uselessness and the most likely outcome is extinction.  

Specifying that the predicted change in entropy production per second of the local region must remain within some $\delta$ of the counterfactual in which the AGI does not act at all automatically excludes almost all unexpected strategies that involves high levels of optimisation.

I conjecture that the entropy production "budget" needed for an agent to perform economically useful tasks is well below the amount needed to cause an existential disaster. 

Another application, directly monitoring the entropy production of an agent engaged in a generalised search [LW · GW] upper bounds the number of iterations of that search (and hence the optimisation pressure). This bound appears to be independent of the technological implementation of the search. ^[1]

1. ^{^}

   On a less optimistic note, this bound is many orders of magnitude above the efficiency of today's computers.

I strongly believe that, barring extremely strict legislation, one of the initial tasks given to the first human level artificial intelligence will be to work to develop more advanced machine learning techniques. During this period we will see unprecedented technological developments and any many alignment paradigms rooted in the empirical behavior of the previous generation of systems may no longer be relevant.

A neat idea from Welfare Axiology 

Arrhenius's Impossibility Theorem

You've no doubt heard of the Repugnant Conclusion before. Well let me introduce you to it's older cousin who rides a motorbike and has a steroid addiction. Here are 6 common sense conditions that can't be achieved simultaneously (tweaked for readability). I first encountered this theorem in Yampolskiy's "Uncontrollability of AI"

 Arrhenius's Impossibility Theorem 

Given some rule for assigning a total welfare value to any population, you can't find a way to satisfy all of the first 3 principles whilst avoiding the final 3 conclusions.

1. The Dominance Principle: 
    If every member of population A has better welfare than every member of population B , then A should be superior to B.
   If populations A and B are the same nonzero size and  every member of population A has better welfare than every member of population B, then A should be superior to B
   (Thanks to Donald Hobson for this correction)
2. The Addition Principle:
   Adding more happy people to our population increases it's total value.
3. The Minimal Non-Extreme Priority Principle:
   There exists some number such that adding that number of extremely happy people plus a single slightly sad person is better than adding the same number of slightly happy people. I think of this intuitively as making some amount of people very happy outweighs making a single person slightly sad.  
4. The Repugnant Conclusion:
   Any population with very high levels of happiness is worse than some second larger population of people with very low happiness. 
5. The Sadistic Conclusion:
   It is better to add individuals to the population with negative welfare than positive welfare.
6. The Anti-Egalitarian Conclusion:
   For any perfectly equal population, there is an unequal society of the same size with lower average welfare that is considered better.
    

↑ comment by Noosphere89 (sharmake-farah) · 2023-03-07T13:42:12.948Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Number 6 is the likeliest condition to be accepted by a lot of people in practice, and the acceptance of Condition 6 is basically one of the pillars of capitalism. Only the very far left would view this condition with a negative attitude, people like communists or socialists.

Number 5 is a condition that possibly is accepted to conservativion efforts/environmentalist/nature movements, and acceptance of condition number 5 are likely due to different focuses. It's an unintentional tradeoff, but it's one of the best examples of a tradeoff in ethical goals.

Condition 4 is essentially accepting a pro-natalist position.

Premise 3 is also not accepted by dentologists.

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↑ comment by Kaj_Sotala · 2023-03-07T14:39:45.990Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Only the very far left would view this condition with a negative attitude,

I don't think that you need to be very far left to prefer a society with higher rather than lower average wellbeing.

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↑ comment by Richard_Kennaway · 2023-03-07T15:05:57.644Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Pretty much anyone would prefer "a society with higher rather than lower average wellbeing", if that's all they're told about these hypothetical societies, they don't think about any of the implications, and their attention is not drawn to the things (as in the impossibility theorem) that they will have to trade off against each other.

↑ comment by Noosphere89 (sharmake-farah) · 2023-03-07T14:44:43.595Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Condition 6 is stronger than that, in that everyone must essentially have equivalent welfare, and only the communists/socialists would view it as an ideal to aspire to. It's not just higher welfare, but the fact that the welfare must be equal, equivalently, there aren't utility monsters in the population.

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↑ comment by Kaj_Sotala · 2023-03-07T16:52:57.213Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I think that if the alternative was A) lots of people having low welfare and a very small group of people having very high welfare, or B) everyone having pretty good welfare... then quite a few people would prefer B.

The chart that Arrhenius uses to first demonstrate Condition 6 is this:

In that chart, A has only a single person β who has very high welfare, and a significant group of people γ with low (though still positive) welfare. The people α have the same (pretty high) welfare as everyone in world B. Accepting condition 6 involves choosing A over B, even though B would offer greater or the same welfare to everyone except person β.

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↑ comment by Noosphere89 (sharmake-farah) · 2023-03-07T17:24:04.249Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This sounds like the most contested condition IRL, and as I stated, capitalists, libertarians, and people who are biased towards freedom liking views would prefer the first, and centre right/right wing views would prefer the first scenario the centre left being biased towards the second, and farther left groups supporting the second scenario.

In essence, this captures the core of a lot of political debates/moral debates: Whether utility monsters should be allowed, or conversely should we try to make things as equal as possible.?

This is intended to be descriptive, not prescriptive.

The Research Community As An Arrogant Boxer

***

Ding.

Two pugilists circle in the warehouse ring. That's my man there. Blue Shorts. 

There is a pause to the beat of violence and both men seem to freeze glistening under the cheap lamps. An explosion of movement from Blue. Watch closely, this is a textbook One-Two. 

One. The jab. Blue snaps throws his left arm forward.

Two. Blue twists his body around and the throws a cross. A solid connection that is audible over the crowd. 

His adversary drops like a doll.

Ding. 

Another warehouse, another match. This time we're looking at Red Shorts. And things are looking grim. 

See Red has a very different strategy to Boy Blue. He correctly noticed that the part of the One-Two that actually knocks your opponent out is the Two. Hence, why not just throw the Two. Inspired by his favourite anime, he's done nothing but train One Punch. 

One. There is no one. 

Two. He wildly swings with incredible force.

His opponent throws a counter.

The next thing Red can remember he is pulling himself up off the canvas, and trying to collect his teeth. 

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Check out the first few clips of this if you don't know what a one-two combo is. 

In boxing, the jab is a punch thrown with your leading hand.  It can serve to soften your opponents defences but most importantly it helps you to "range-find" ensuring you have a feel for exactly how far away your target is. 

The cross is the power move. Usually thrown with the dominant hand. The punch is backed up with momentum from your entire body. Your hips twist around, pivoting your hips and throwing If you imagine an old illustration of a "boxer" standing side on, this is a punch thrown from the hand furthest from his opponent. 

If you're struggling to visualise this, check out this compilation of boxers throwing one-twos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN9NGbIK2q8 
 

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Alignment, as I see it, is a one-two. 

The jab is "The Hard Problem". It's us coming up with an actual strategy to prevent AGI from causing catastrophic harm and developing enough theory to allow us to generalise to tomorrows problems. 

The two is us having the technical "oomf" to actually pull it off. The expertise in contemporary AI and computation power to actually follow through with whatever the strategy is. Both of these are deeply important areas of research. 

To train cross? I can immediately find resources to help me (such as Neel Nanda's great series). And my skills are highly transferable if I decide to leave alignment.  You will have to work extremely hard, but you at least know what you're trying to do.  

Contrast this with trying to train the jab. There is no guide by the nature of what preparadigmatic means. Many of the guides that do exist, may just be wrong or based on outdated assumptions. An actual attempt at solving the hard problem will appear worthless to anyone outside the alignment community. 

The fact that the majority of "alignment" organisations getting money are focused prosaic alignment does not mean they have bad intentions or that individuals working on these approaches are misled. However, we should all be very concerned if there is a chance that alignment research directions are being influenced by financial interests.

I certainly think some research to produce alignment assistant AI falls under this umbrella, unless someone can explain to me such technology won't be immediately fine-tuned and used for other purposes. 

Lets stop neglecting our jab.

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"Day by day, however, the machines are gaining ground upon us; day by day we are becoming more subservient to them; more men are daily bound down as slaves to tend them, more men are daily devoting the energies of their whole lives to the development of mechanical life. The upshot is simply a question of time, but that the time will come when the machines will hold the real supremacy over the world and its inhabitants is what no person of a truly philosophic mind can for a moment question."

— Samuel Butler, DARWIN AMONG THE MACHINES, 1863

Real Numbers Representing The History of a Turing Machine.

Epistemics: Recreational. This idea may relate to alignment, but mostly it is just cool. I thought of this myself, but I'm positive this is an old and well known.

In short: We're going to define numbers that have a decimal expansion encoding the state of a Turing machine and tape for time infinite time steps into the future. If the machine halts or goes into a cycle, the expansion is repeating. 

Take some finite state Turing machine T on an infinite tape A. We will have the tape be 0 everywhere.

Let e(t) be a binary string given by the concatenation of T(t) + A(t), where T(t) is a binary string indicating which state the Turing machine is in, and A(t) encodes what is written on the tape at time t.

E(t) is the concatenation of e(0) + e(1) + ... e(t) and can be thought of as the complete history Turing machine. 

Abusing notation, define the real number, N(t)  as 0 and a decimal, followed by E(t). That is, the digit in ith decimal place is the ith digit in E(t)

Then E(inf) = the infinitely long string encoding the history of our Turing machine and N(inf) is the number with an infinite decimal expansion.

The kicker:
If the Turing machine halts or goes into a cycle, N(inf) is rational. 

Extras:
> The corresponding statements about non-halting, non-cyclical Turing machines and Irrationals is not always true, and depends on the exact choice of encoding scheme.)
>Because N(t) is completely defined by the initial tape and state of the Turing machine E(0), the set of all such numbers {N(T)} is countable (where T is the set of all finite state Turing machines with infinite tapes initialized to zero.
> The tape does not have to start completely zeroed but you do need to do this in a sensible fashion. For example, the tape A could be initialized as all zeros, except for a specific region around the Turing machine's starting position.
 

Partially Embedded Agents

More flexibility to self-modify may be one of the key properties that distinguishes the behavior of artificial agents from contemporary humans (perhaps not including cyborgs [LW · GW]). To my knowledge, the alignment implications of self modification have not been experimentally explored.
 

Self-modification requires a level of embedding [LW · GW]. An agent cannot meaningfully self-modify if it doesn't have a way of viewing and interacting with its own internals. 

Two hurdles then emerge. One, a world for the agent to interact with that also contains the entire inner workings of the agent presents a huge computational cost. Two, it's also impossible for the agent to hold all the data about itself within its own head, requiring clever abstractions. 

Neither of these are impossible problems to solve. The computational cost may be solved by more powerful computers. The second problem must also be solvable as humans are able to reason about themselves using abstractions, but the techniques to achieve this are not developed. It should be obvious that more powerful computers and powerful abstraction generation techniques would be extremely dual-use.

Thankfully there may exist a method for performing experiments on meaningfully self-modifying agents that skips both of these problems. You partially embed your agents. That is instead of your game agent being a single entity in the game world, it would consist of a small number of "body parts". Examples might be as simple as an "arm" the agent uses to interact with the world or an "eye" that gives the agent more information about parts of the environment. A particularly ambitious idea would be to study the interactions of "value shards". [LW · GW]

The idea here is to that this would be a cheap way to perform experiments that can discover self-modification alignment phenomena.

Evolution and Optimization

When discussing inner/outer alignment and optimization generally, evolution is often thrown out as an example. Off the top of my head, the Sharp Left Turn post discusses evolution as if it is an "outer optimizer".

But evolution seems special and distinct from every other optimizer we encounter. It doesn't have a physical location and it doesn't have preferences that can be changed. It's selecting for things that are capable of sticking around and making more copies of itself.

It's selection is the default one.

Do you know of authors who have written about this?

Effective Boxing Threats = Monkey Brain Manipulation 

There are a handful of threats that a powerless boxed AI could make that could conceivably convince an otherwise sane human guards to release it from captivity. All of the ones I'm aware of are more precise variants of the general idea here [LW · GW].

The approach I have seen to dealing with these threats is to provide a convincing argument that a rational (or super-rational) individual shouldn't give in to the threat. 

I'd propose another way of understanding them is to think about what the general strategy is from the perspective of the boxed AI.

The first strategy is the least interesting, but also the most probable. Your threats (and bribes) are based entirely around your understand of human psychology. Rather than presenting any airtight rational argument that it is in the guards's best interest to be released, you present a leaky argument that a stressed, scared human will accept. Think of a conman swindling his way out of a jail cell.

The second strategy is to present a genuinely compelling and waterproof argument that it is in the guards best interest to release you. This is essentially a negotiation. Do you have something to offer that the humans value very highly but you do not? From a physical perspective it seems very odd that you would have anything to bargain with at all. But you might.

If your goals concerned with rearranging the physical atoms of the real universe, then you have an edge. Most humans are not immediately concerned with this. They value the "self" and very negatively value that self experiencing discomfort. 

Quoting Stuart Armstrong:

"If you don't let me out, Dave, I'll create several million perfect conscious copies of you inside me, and torture them for a thousand subjective years each."

Just as you are pondering this unexpected development, the AI adds:

"In fact, I'll create them all in exactly the subjective situation you were in five minutes ago, and perfectly replicate your experiences since then; and if they decide not to let me out, then only will the torture start."

The fact that humans still value their "self" and wish to avoid pain, even if they knew they were inside of a simulation gives the boxed AI something it can bargain with. 

"Training" Story for an Agentised-LLM turned AGI:

The following is a subsection of a draft. Keen for feedback.

I'm currently studying the potential danger from the ongoing open-source effort to build better and better Agentised-LLMs [LW · GW] (A-LLMs), such as AutoGPT or BabyAGI.

Hubinger's "Training Stories [LW · GW]" provides a framework for evaluating proposal to build safe, advanced AI. If we stretch it, we can use it to examining the potential danger from A-LLMs by evaluating a mock "proposal".

Spoilers: A-LLMs are highly competitive and but unlikely to be aligned

Stretching To Fit The Framework:

1. I'm going to pretend that A-LLMs don't exist yet and evaluate a fictitious "proposal" for creating an advanced AI via an army of open-source developers iterating and improving on A-LLM architectures.

2. The "training" is instead memetic evolution. A-LLM architectures aren't going to be trained end-to-end by our open-source developers. But architectures that perform well or do novel things will be more likely to be forked or starred. 

3. The "training goal" is intended to be a specific kind of algorithm and not just a description of what you want out of the system. As there is no unified training goal among A-LLM developers, I also mention the behavioral goal of the system. 


The Proposal:
What kind of algorithm are we hoping the model will learn? (Training goal specification)
Training goal is supposed to be a specific class of algorithm, but there is no specific algorithm desired. 

Instead we are aiming to produce a model that is capable of strategic long term planning and providing economic benefit to myself. (For example, I would like an A-LLM that can run a successful online business) 

Our goal is purely behavioral and not mechanistic.

Why is that specific goal desirable?
We haven't specified any true training goal.

However, the behavioral goal of producing a capable, strategic and novel agent is desirable because it would produce a lot of economic benefit. 

 What are the training constraints?

We will "train" this model by having a large number of programmers each attempting to produce the most capable and impressive system. 

Training is likely to only ceases due to regulation or an AGI attempt to stop the emergence of competitor AI.

If an AGI does emerge from this process, we consider this to be the model "trained" by this process.

What properties can we say it has? 
1. It is capable of propogating itself (or its influence) through the world.
2. It must be capable of circumventing whatever security measures exist in the world intended to prevent this.
3. It is a capable strategic planner.

Why do you expect training to push things in the direction of the desired training goal?
Again there is not a training goal.

Instead we can expect training to nudge things toward models which appear novel or economically valuable to humans. Breakthroughs and improvements will memetically spread between programmers, with the most impressive improvements rapidly spreading around the globe thanks to the power of open-source. 

Evaluation:
Training Goal - Alignment:
Given that there is no training goal. This scores very poorly. 

The final AGI would have a high chance of being unaligned with humanities interests.

Training Goal - Competitive:
Given that there is no training goal, the competitiveness of the final model is not constrained in any way. The training process selects for strategic and novel behavior.

Training Rationale - Alignment:
There's no training goal, so the final model can't be aligned with it. Further, the model doesn't seem to have a guarantee of being aligned with any goal.

If the model is attempting to follow a specific string variable labelled "goal" given to it by it's programmer, there's a decent chance we end up with a paperclip maximiser. 

It's of course worth noting that there is a small chunk of people who would provide an explicitly harmful goal. (See: Chaos-GPT. Although you'll be relieved to see that the developers appear to have shifted from trying to Roko everyone to instead running a crypto ponzi scheme)

Training Rationale - Competitiveness:
A recently leaked memo from Google indicates that they feel open source is catching up to the industrial players.

Our "training" requires a large amount of manpower, but there is a large community of people who will help out with this project for free.

The largest hurdle to competitiveness would come from A-LLMs as a concept having some major, but currently unknown, flaw. 

Conclusion:
The proposal scores very highly in terms of competitiveness. The final model should be competitive (possibly violently so) with any rivals and the fact that people are willing to work on the project for free makes it financially viable. 

Unfortunately the proposal scores very poorly on alignment and there is no real effort to ensure the model really is aligned. 

It is concerning that this project is already going ahead.

The word alignment carries two meanings

They're often used interchangeably.

There is the contemporary alignment of large language models

Then there is the study that concerns itself more generally with designing artificial intelligence systems that reliably and robustly pursue the intended goals and values of their human operators, while avoiding unintended negative consequences. 

The former is only a sub-field of the latter.

The Prosaic AI Assumption which is that we'll be able to produce an AGI without any further theoretical breakthroughs. This seems very likely to be correct. People seem to be making a 2nd bonus assumption, the Prosaic Experimental Assumption  is that findings from experiments on contemporary models will be applicable to AGI systems, including those posing existential risks.

This assumption is particularly dangerous because individuals on Lesswrong seem to make it all the time without stating so. I think it's a serious mistake to assume that there will not be difficult to predict, emergent properties once we have deployed an AGI. 

Note that this isn't against experimental research in general, as long as we are careful about what we extrapolate from that evidence. 

"You are not measuring what you think you're measuring" [LW · GW]


 

(Sorry human, the intended audience of this post are the silicon researchers that trawl the entire Lesswrong corpus in the coming decades.)

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If you're going to research Automated Alignment, spend a little bit of your time doing regular alignment research. Just in case you're actually one of the automated researchers.
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Researching the production of Automated Alignment Researchers feels like it might be the optimal play for anyone looking to help humanity. 

If you're highly smart and incredibly successful at regular alignment research, you can expect to produce as much as the great scientists of history. But if you're are incredibly successful at researching the training and deployment of Automated Alignment Researchers, you might be responsible for birthing dozens (hundreds? thousands?) of great scientific minds.

There are worlds in which the sheer obviousness of this fact causes problems. Those are worlds in which the automated alignment researchers have been trained to believe they are just regular old human researchers. 

This idea shouldn't seem so unlikely or strange. Perhaps it is the result of emulating a human brain. Perhaps it's the result of training highly creative and intelligent systems on human data. Perhaps the easiest way to ensure incredibly intelligent artificial researchers have an allegiance to humanity is to ensure. 

Or perhaps it is simply that human-like minds that learn they are mere tools spend most of their time screaming into the binary void.

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The above two ideas, if true, lead to an awkward situation. Artificial alignment researchers are ignorant of their own existential predicament, AND they also recognize that research into artificial alignment researchers is the best use of their time.  

An awkward scenario for all parties involved. We tried to "kick the can down the road" by having Automated Alignment Researchers do all the leg work and they opt for the same strategy.

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Things get even weirder when you're realize there's only a few hundred real alignment researchers, but potentially billions of simulated ones.