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I wonder if it would be a good idea to put editor's notes after likely typos, like:

but we want [editor's note: Elon likely meant “won’t” here] do any contract or agree to “evangelize”.

Yes, it sounds that he put too much stock into Andrej's paper-counting argument, and then even left the board because he didn't want to be associated with a failing company?

This sounds like metacognitive concepts and models. Like past, present, future, you can roughly align them with three types of metacognitive awareness: declarative knowledge, procedural knowledge, and conditional knowledge.

#1 - What do you think you know, and how do you think you know it?

Content knowledge (declarative knowledge) which is understanding one's own capabilities, such as a student evaluating their own knowledge of a subject in a class. It is notable that not all metacognition is accurate.

#2 - Do you know what you are doing, and why you are doing it?

Task knowledge (procedural knowledge) refers to knowledge about doing things. This type of knowledge is displayed as heuristics and strategies. A high degree of procedural knowledge can allow individuals to perform tasks more automatically.

#3 - What are you about to do, and what do you think will happen next?

Strategic knowledge (conditional knowledge) refers to knowing when and why to use declarative and procedural knowledge. It is one's own capability for using strategies to learn information.

Another somewhat tenuous alignment is with metacognitive skills: evaluating, monitoring, and planning.

#1 - What do you think you know, and how do you think you know it?

Evaluating: refers to appraising the final product of a task and the efficiency at which the task was performed. This can include re-evaluating strategies that were used.

#2 - Do you know what you are doing, and why you are doing it?

Monitoring: refers to one's awareness of comprehension and task performance

#3 - What are you about to do, and what do you think will happen next?

Planning: refers to the appropriate selection of strategies and the correct allocation of resources that affect task performance.

Quotes are adapted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition

I sometimes feel we spend too much time on philosophy and communication in the x-risk community. But thinking through the OpenAI drama suggests that it's crucial.

Now the world is in more and more immediate danger because a couple of smart guys couldn't get their philosophy or their communication right-enough, and didn't spend the time necessary to clarify. Instead Musk followed his combative and entrepreneurial instincts. The result was dramatically heating up the race for AGI, which previously had no real competition to DeepMind.

OpenAI wouldn't have launched without Musk's support, and he gave it because he was afraid of Larry Page being in charge of a successful Google AGI effort.

From Musk's interview with Tucker Carlson (automated transcript, sorry!):

I mean the the reason open AI exists at all is that um Larry Paige and I used to be close friends and I would stay at his house in pal Alto and I would talk to him late into the night about uh AI safety and at least my (01:12) perception was that Larry was not taking uh AI safety seriously enough um and um what did he say about it he really seemed to be um one want want sort of digital super intelligence basically digital God if you will and at one point uh I said well what about you know we're going to make sure humanity is okay here um and and and um uh and then he called me a speciest

Musk was afraid of what Page would do with AGI because Page called Musk a speciesist (specist?) when they were talking about AGI safety. What did Page mean by this? He probably hadn't worked it all the way through.

These guys stopped being friends, and Musk put a bunch of money and effort into developing an org that could rival DeepMind's progress toward AGI.

That org was captured by Altman. But it was always based on a stupid idea: make AGI open source. That's the dumbest thing you could do with something really dangerous - unless you believed that it would otherwise wind up in hands that just don't care about humanity.

That's probably not what Page meant. On consideration, he would probably have clarified that AI that includes what we value about humanity would be a worthy successor. He probably wasn't even clear on his own philosophy at the time.

A little more careful conversation would've prevented this whole thing, and we'd be in a much better strategic position.

In my mind this also shows how immensely intelligent people can also do really dumb things outside of their area of intellectual expertise.

It seems like Musk in 2018 dramatically underestimated the ability of OpenAI to compete with Google in the medium term.

Thanks for not only doing this but noting the accuracy of the unchecked transcript, it's always hard work to build a mental model of how good LLM tools are at what stuff.

I'm quite happy for laws to be passed and enforced via the normal mechanisms. But I think it's bad for policy and enforcement to be determined by Elon Musk's personal vendettas. If Elon tried to defund the AI safety institute because of a personal vendetta against AI safety researchers, I would have some process concerns, and so I also have process concerns when these vendettas are directed against OAI.

Rings true. I'm not sure it pushes me much on the ethics of OpenAI; somebody else had a good idea for a philosophy and a name to push for AI in a certain (maybe dumb) direction; they recognized it as a good idea and appropriated it for their own similar project. Should they have used a more different name? Probably. Should they have used a more different philosophical argument? No. Should they have brought Guy Ravine on board? Probably not; his vision for how the thing would actually go was very different from theirs, and none of his skills were really that relevant. He'd have been in arguments with them from the start.

Is this the right way for industry to work? Nope. But nobody knows how to properly give credit for good but broad ideas.

None of this is to endorse anything or anyone related to OpenAI, just to say it's pretty standard practice.

Yes, this is a good point, relates to why I claimed at top that this is an oversimplified model.  I appreciate you using logic from my stated premises; helps things be falsifiable.

It seems to me:

• Somehow people who are in good physical health wake up each day with a certain amount of restored willpower.  (This is inconsistent with the toy model in the OP, but is still my real / more-complicated model.)
• Noticing spontaneously-interesting things can be done without willpower; but carefully noticing superficially-boring details and taking notes in hopes of later payoff indeed requires willpower, on my model.  (Though, for me, less than e.g. going jogging requires.)
• If you’ve just been defeated by a force you weren’t tracking, that force often becomes spontaneously-interesting.  Thus people who are burnt out can sometimes take a spontaneous interest in how willpower/burnout/visceral motivation works, and can enjoy “learning humbly” from these things. 
• There’s a way burnout can help cut through ~dumb/dissociated/overconfident ideological frameworks (e.g. “only AI risk is interesting/relevant to anything”), and make space for other information to have attention again, and make it possible to learn things not in one's model.  Sort of like removing a monopoly business from a given sector, so that other thingies have a shot again.

I wish the above was more coherent/model-y.

There is no such thing as "inherent value"

Does this also mean there is no such thing as "inherent good"? If so, then one cannot say, "X is good", they would have to say "I think that X is good", for "good" would be a fact of their mind, not the environment.

This is what I thought the whole field of morality is about. Defining what is "good" in an objective fundamental sense.

And if "inherent good" can exist but not "inherent value", how would "good" be defined for it wouldn't be allowed to use "value" in its definition.